WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Nienna

*twiddles her thumbs*

Tum who are your suspects?

And chatspeak is like: lol, or instead of saying "are" or "you"... one says r u.

Ok. That makes sense. Thanks. I can't believe I did that! I try to go through my posts and make sure that they don't have any of that.

As for my suspects, I'll just give a list of people and my initial thoughts. They are in no particular order.

Wilwa - I haven't heard a lot from her. What she has posted hasn't made me suspicious of her.
Kath - I've never played with her before, and I haven't heard enough from her to get a feel for her.
Mira - I don't like her vote on Day 1 and her no vote yesterDay. I find it suspicious. I would like to hear more from her.
Zil - He seems a little off to me.
Lottie - I feel like she's an innocent.
Nienna - I haven't gotten a feel for you yet. I haven't seen anything to raise flags though.
Sally - I'm wondering if she's going after me because I'm an easy target. Interesting enough I'm not sure how I feel about her this game.
Nerwen - I'm leaning towards innocent. It seems that she genuinely wants to help us catch the wolves.
Foley - I've never played with him before, and there hasn't been a lot of posts. So I haven't been able to get a read on him.
Lalaith - I've gotten good vibes from her.
Greenie - I haven't played with Greenie before. So far I feel good with Greenie.
Rikae - I'm a little suspicious of her. She's been giving me some wolf vibes. First night she votes Phantom. And last night she voted for herself. I'm not sure this isn't a wolf throwing away a vote.
Shasta - I haven't heard that much from Shasta. I haven't gotten any suspicions on him at this time.
Mac - The more and more he's posted the more innocent he looks. I'm still holding him in reservation for later on, and I am keeping a close eye on him.
Nog - I'm not sure where he's coming from. He's definitely looking more and more suspicious. However he's not here to defend what he wrote this morning.
phantom - I'm sooo excited to be playing with him! So far he's only been giving off good vibes and I'm not suspcious with him at all.

All in all if I had to vote right now it would either be for Rikae or Sally.

Edit: x-ed with a few

[Macalaure]

Nogrod -> Loslote
Greenie -> Nogrod
Lalaith -> Loslote

Personally, I feel pretty good about Nogrod right now. I've never seen a wolf throw a hissy fit unless they're about to die. While Nog has a few people suspecting him, there's no bandwaggon yet and Autume is likely to join him and Lottie.

[Nienna]

Originally Posted by autume98

Ok. That makes sense. Thanks. I can't believe I did that! I try to go through my posts and make sure that they don't have any of that.

As for my suspects, I'll just give a list of people and my initial thoughts. They are in no particular order.

Wilwa - I haven't heard a lot from her. What she has posted hasn't made me suspicious of her.
Kath - I've never played with her before, and I haven't heard enough from her to get a feel for her.
Mira - I don't like her vote on Day 1 and her no vote yesterDay. I find it suspicious. I would like to hear more from her.
Zil - He seems a little off to me.
Lottie - I feel like she's an innocent.
Nienna - I haven't gotten a feel for you yet. I haven't seen anything to raise flags though.
Sally - I'm wondering if she's going after me because I'm an easy target. Interesting enough I'm not sure how I feel about her this game.
Nerwen - I'm leaning towards innocent. It seems that she genuinely wants to help us catch the wolves.
Foley - I've never played with him before, and there hasn't been a lot of posts. So I haven't been able to get a read on him.
Lalaith - I've gotten good vibes from her.
Greenie - I haven't played with Greenie before. So far I feel good with Greenie.
Rikae - I'm a little suspicious of her. She's been giving me some wolf vibes. First night she votes Phantom. And last night she voted for herself. I'm not sure this isn't a wolf throwing away a vote.
Shasta - I haven't heard that much from Shasta. I haven't gotten any suspicions on him at this time.
Mac - The more and more he's posted the more innocent he looks. I'm still holding him in reservation for later on, and I am keeping a close eye on him.
Nog - I'm not sure where he's coming from. He's definitely looking more and more suspicious. However he's not here to defend what he wrote this morning.
phantom - I'm sooo excited to be playing with him! So far he's only been giving off good vibes and I'm not suspcious with him at all.

All in all if I had to vote right now it would either be for Rikae or Sally.

Edit: x-ed with a few

Thank you for trying, Tum... Your top suspects are my one most trusted and another who I think is seeming rather innocentish... This doesn't put you any higher in my graces, I fear.

[Nienna]

I crossed my last post with Mac and I put this in a new post because I do wonder why everyone is suspecting Lottie. Is there a case I've just missed??

Edit: x-ed wth Shasta

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nienna

I crossed my last post with Mac and I put this in a new post because I do wonder why everyone is suspecting Lottie. Is there a case I've just missed??

Edit: x-ed wth Shasta

I'd kind of like to second this. I understand the post of fail (no offense, pumpkin) and that she's been a bit off, but what's the big deal?

Abigail (^_^) says hello to everyone, and that she's super duper fast and happy. That being said, she's rewarding me with the net access to analyze Foley. Back with that.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Abigail (^_^) says hello to everyone, and that she's super duper fast and happy. That being said, she's rewarding me with the net access to analyze Foley. Back with that.

Let's have it then, Abigail.

I forgot Folwren was playing. Same goes for Shasta, really.

x/d with Sally and Nog

[Inziladun]

Might as well go ahead....

++Tum

[satansaloser2005]

Where the blazes of Hades is Kath? She'll be modfired if she stays disappeared, won't she?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nienna

I crossed my last post with Mac and I put this in a new post because I do wonder why everyone is suspecting Lottie. Is there a case I've just missed??

I don't see a great deal there, at least nothing to compare with the evidence against Tum.

x/d with Sally

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Here's another note I thought of. Rikae, why did you bring up what you did about Mac earlier? People (possibly even you) have chided others for doing the same - it doesn't seem like an innocent thing to do. The way you brought attention immediately to it seems off to me.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Here's another note I thought of. Rikae, why did you bring up what you did about Mac earlier? People (possibly even you) have chided others for doing the same - it doesn't seem like an innocent thing to do. The way you brought attention immediately to it seems off to me.

I said why in the post.
There was no way that was a sincere seer hint. No real seer - except maybe a total newbie - but certainly not a Mac-seer would be so clumsy.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I said why in the post.
There was no way that was a sincere seer hint. No real seer - except maybe a total newbie - but certainly not a Mac-seer would be so clumsy.

Um... what about Boro?

EIDT:X'd with Sally and tum.

[Macalaure]

I would like to nominate this game's Nogrod-Nerwen fight for the WW Hall of Fame.

I'd consider staying up late just to watch it.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by autume98

And then Day 2 she does another throw away? Now I'm no experienced player by any stretch of the imagination, but this just seems wrong. I would expect a more experienced player to not throw away their votes two days in a row.

But you, Tum, expressed appreciation and understanding of Rikae's motives for that vote at the time, didn't you?

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Um... what about Boro?

Ouch. Funny, but...ouch.

x/d with all since # 687

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

But you, Tum, expressed appreciation and understanding of Rikae's motives for that vote at the time, didn't you?

The appreciation was all fun and games lightheartedness. The understanding was I can see why she's doing it, however I'm not ok with it. If I were ok with it thought than I would've done the same thing myself last night. However I didn't think that would be the right thing to do. I thought it would be better for us as a village to go after a wolf. What good does a throw away vote do us?

Edit: x-ed with Rikae

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Autume

I thought it would be better for us as a village to go after a wolf. What good does a throw away vote do us?

Uh huh. And what about when the entire village is going after what looks like an innocent? You think it's better to go along with the village and make yourself less conspicuous, right, Autume? Not so for me. If my vote is meaningless, it might as well make a point (as in Phantom's case) or be funny (self-voting.)

[Nerwen]

Well, Nogrod has now come back to explain himself... only he kind of hasn't.

What to make of this? Generally I'd think an experienced wolf would try to answer the points against him– I think they're rather good points, actually– properly, rather than just yelling, "Nyaaah! Wolf yerself! I hate you!" Which I believe largely sums up that post. (#666).

Or is this a tired, cornered Nogwolf giving way to frustration, and hoping he can somehow bluster his way out of trouble? An experienced innocent, you'd think, would try to answer those points too.

Mmmn. It's not easy for me to be objective about him after three Days of this...

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Could somebody please try to explain that statement of Nogrod's that I highlighted about innocents earlier today? It's been niggling me all day and I simply can't think of a reason why he said it that isn't really, really dodgy.

He didn't mean "everyone voted for was innocent" but "everyone who was the subject of a major bandwagon was innocent". (That bit he did explain). Still not a great argument, as it rests entirely on everyone else taking his word that he's innocent.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

A variant on Sally's Hestia-plan that might work better and be less wasteful of innocent lives.....we could wait until either Seer actually dreams of something that confirms that they are true or false, and they could then tell us. If it is Hestia, s/he would be able to confirm if the other Seer is true or false, without naming them. If the other Seer, Hestia would then know if s/he were true or false. Then the protection racket with the Ranger/Hunter-Guardian could kick in...does that sound better?

Yes, that sounds more viable.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Autume (Not sure what the stuff around her is about, but I'll trust people that there's something. I'll see for myself eventually.)

An odd statement. I've said why her suspicious behaviour could be that of an innocent newbie... but you haven't noticed it at all in the first place? Really?

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Foley: I'll have to find the post again, but at some point she tells us not to lynch phantom because she thinks he's possibly a good gifted. I don't see why a goodie would do that, unless Phantom was under extreme pressure to be lynched (which he wasn't at the time).

I don't know what post this is– but pointing possible giftedness doesn't mean so much in this particular game, does it?

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Lottie: She makes no sense, like at all. Maybe Tum's lover?

Then they need to seek couple counselling ASAP. ...Seriously, where does that come from?

Originally Posted by Rikae

I just asked the wereduckling who we should lynch, and she said "lynch Papa."

Now, you can't get a better argument than that.

Well, that settles it, then. ÷÷Mac!

EDIT:X'd with a host.

[satansaloser2005]

Nerwen, look at my post after that. I headdesked aplenty for that one.

I meant that Tum was a wolf lover and that Lottie was possibly another one. My brain muddled the points when I was making the post and I said that they were lovered to each other, not each a possible lover of a wolf. Sorry about the fail.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Nerwen, look at my post after that. I headdesked aplenty for that one.

Sorry, I'd missed that one.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Sorry, I'd missed that one.

Meh, I figured. Don't worry about it. I did look pretty stupid.

[wilwarin538]

Okay, so who do I wants to vote for. Well, I don't think I want to vote for Nog, just cause he hasn't been around a lot and his last big post actually made me feel better. I don't want to vote Lottie because that's flimsy, I just think she's going after Tum very strongly (though I get the reasons), nothing else really seems so aweful. And pretty much everyone else either just slightly confuses me, or I feel good about, or haven't posted enough. And then there's Tum, who has a nice little pile of stuff against her. It kind of feels like it could maybe turn into a repeat of the last few Days, but there is a lot more solid stuff on her than what we had for the other two, so I suppose it's not exactly the same situation.

So than, since she does look quite bad, I'm going to go with Tum, and hope that this doesn't turn into another disastrous bandwaggon.


++Autume


Now I'm off to bed. Good luck.

x'ed with a couple

[Nogrod]

Hey Obie-phantom, shouldn't you cool your fan-girls a littlle bit?

Originally Posted by autume98

phantom - I'm sooo excited to be playing with him! So far he's only been giving off good vibes and I'm not suspcious with him at all.

Anyway, if that's the level of arguments used let's just call it a day - like I will call it anyway a Day pretty soon.

Heh, no need for your fancy set-ups tp - or any nice triple-bluffs anyone... it's up to how cool you are being perceived as... like politics in the real world!

Originally Posted by Nerwen

What to make of this? Generally I'd think an experienced wolf would try to answer the points against him– I think they're rather good points, actually– properly, rather than just yelling, "Nyaaah! Wolf yerself! I hate you!" Which I believe largely sums up that post. (#666).

Or is this a tired, cornered Nogwolf giving way to frustration, and hoping he can somehow bluster his way out of trouble? An experienced innocent, you'd think, would try to answer those points too.

Mmmn. It's not easy for me to be objective about him after three Days of this...

Heh... you're quite right in a few points, like experienced, tired and frustrated... and having too little time for these few Days now.

But if you are really able to say that there are some good points, I'd really love to see them. I mean actual points other than annoyed retaliations or Lottie's "I don't like him" (and for the second time, despite your denial, you Lottie said that! word by word). I mean which are the points?

- Your innocence Nerwen? Should I take your word for it - would you take mine? Be what it may, it's something you only know and can't share (and even if I don't push for it right now doesn't mean I have forgotten it totally).
- Eonwë's role was not known by anyone before yesterDay.
- Lottie's "dislike" is no argument.
- Boro may be the false seer (I trusted the other way) but you didn't "know" it any earlier I did - and none of us actuallly know it, even now.
- Being over the top and playing it openly not considering one's own safety is not wolwery - kind of vice versa, but I might be fooling you to be sure.
- You don't know if you'd wish me dead. Happily.

So where are your actual points?

I'd really love to know them. Especially when you like to fly the flag of one who has made points and has not been given answers...

Originally Posted by Mac

I would like to nominate this game's Nogrod-Nerwen fight for the WW Hall of Fame.

I'd consider staying up late just to watch it.

If you had the chance... I'll be off in a minute (6.00AM right now) so sorry to deny you of your fun...

Anything to say now?



As a summmary...

Well I get a bad feeling from Lottie and her voting history is possibly very bad (instead of bad that fits everyone's votes!). And I just get the bad feeling from her. Sorry, no logic on top of what I have said (which is nbot little), but just a malicious feeling on top of all (read the thread to learn about other points))

I'm really at odds with Sally's masterplan (she must be a non-thinking ordo or then a wolf who has been told to suggest that to look like one).

I'm very concerned about the phantom and Rikae... and to a bit llesser extent, of Mac.

You three (four) - add Nerwen - I could really eat my hat if two of you were not wolves. Or maybe it's just one of you... if none of you is a wolf, then what could I do? Maybe eat that infamous 72oz. steak in Texas in an hour... (I could never make it) I mean 16 oz- was like real heroism for me in Amarillo.

Add to that...

Greenie threw away her vote a bit too conveniently. Actually I think she's a wolf being first such a nice towards me ("to my own amazement I'm not suspecting Nog!") and striking immediately when she thought I was away... I could bet on that. A lot.

Who of you would stand up for her if someone made a case?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I'm really at odds with Sally's masterplan (she must be a non-thinking ordo or then a wolf who has been told to suggest that to look like one).

No one tells me to do anything, no matter my role. I'm just sayin'.

Also, just because you don't like the plan (likely because I brought up the possibility of your death as part of it) doesn't mean you can call me non-thinking. If you'd make a positive contribution to the village I'd take it more lightly, but....no.

Who are you and what have you done with my darling Noggin (and his noggin)?

I suppose I'll take your point about Greenie though. The difference is, I don't think she has evil intentions; I think she's just going for the person she thinks is the best lynch. I'm majorly agreeing with her at the moment.

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

xSeeing as how I'm in this pretty content half-sleep watching Batman Forever, I'm just going to vote now so I don't fall asleep, miss deadline, and get modfired.

++phantom

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by autume98

I'm not sure where she is, but she did vote yesterDay.

Okay, good. I just noticed that she only had four posts and was concerned that I didn't remember seeing her vote yesterDay (that I remember anyway).

Originally Posted by Keeper of Dol Guldur

xSeeing as how I'm in this pretty content half-sleep watching Batman Forever, I'm just going to vote now so I don't fall asleep, miss deadline, and get modfired.

++phantom

WHAT?!?!

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Where the blazes of Hades is Kath? She'll be modfired if she stays disappeared, won't she?

She voted for Nog yesterDay, so she should be all right if she misses toDay. Come to think of it, I don't think she's been here at all toDay.

Originally Posted by Keeper of Dol Guldur

xSeeing as how I'm in this pretty content half-sleep watching Batman Forever, I'm just going to vote now so I don't fall asleep, miss deadline, and get modfired.

++phantom

Because of your analysis? Hmm. I think there are better options, but what do I know?

x/d with Sally

[Nienna]

Nog --> Lottie
Greenie --> Nog
Lal --> Lottie (2)
Zil --> Tum
Wilwa --> Tum (2)
Mira --> Phantom

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Also, just because you don't like the plan (likely because I brought up the possibility of your death as part of it) doesn't mean you can call me non-thinking. If you'd make a positive contribution to the village I'd take it more lightly, but....no.

Actually your suggestion of lynching me has nothing to do with my approval of the plan. Actually I have nothing to oppose being lynched as I'm most probably not being around that much in the few Days to come. But it's just the plain astonishment of how you are so sure Hestia is a (true) Seer? So how are you that confident? OR does it fit your position?

I mean tp has oftentimes good points to make but that shouldn't make you eat everything he says. Really. Did Hestia turnn into a seer - and into a real seer? How do you show me that so as I could believe it?

Unless you come with a plausible presentation of believable enough facts about that ultimate happy-scenario let's stick with what we have. And thence no double-seers or whatever you'd like to promise for lynching me..

Hey Wolfie, how does it feel to get caught?

EDit X'd with many

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Actually your suggestion of lynching me has nothing to do with my approval of the plan. Actually I have nothing to oppose being lynched as I'm most probably not being around that much in the few Days to come. But it's just the plain astonishment of how you are so sure Hestia is a (true) Seer? So how are you that confident? OR does it fit your position?

I mean tp has oftentimes good points to make but that shouldn't make you eat everything he says. Really. Did Hestia turnn into a seer - and into a real seer? How do you show me that so as I could believe it?

Unless you come with a plausible presentation of believable enough facts about that ultimate happy-scenario let's stick with what we have. And thence no double-seers or whatever you'd like to promise for lynching me..

Hey Wolfie, how does it feel to get caught?

Exactly why you were a good subject, for lack of a better word. And we don't know Hestia is the true seer. That's what the plan was supposed to tell us. I'm honestly hoping that Hestia would be the false seer, because then the true seer would know they were the true seer and would still be safe. Whether the plan actually would work or not I don't know, because of revenge kills and other factors, but in theory the plan could work. And yes, it fits my position. It fits my position of getting rid of what I consider a major threat (that's you, love) and at the same time allowing the gifteds to learn the truth of their gift. You have a problem with the seers being clear on their dreams why?

Also, I read the narration and made the connection myself. Hestia is "seeing things she never before thought possible", which could mean anything, it's true. However, I think Glirdan wouldn't screw with us that much. (At least I hope.) What makes you think that Phantom is some kind of god (in non-game terms here) that I'm just going to blindly follow? Do you think that little of me, or are you trying to stir up more trouble to keep suspicion away from/direct it toward someone?

I second Nerwen. I'm sorry, but you're being a severe letdown in this game. If there's something wrong I'm more than happy to let this go, but I simply can't decide why you're acting so out of normal lovely Nog character and being a complete mess.

Are you all right? Do I need to worry about you or lynch you? Or both?

*goes back to Foley analysis*

EDIT: x'd with Papa Lupine

[Nogrod]

Oh just forgot... let Hestia (or someone with real seer-abilities) dream me. That's the nice part of your plan Sally.

Let's get this thing clear so that we can concentrate on more pressing things.

*Kick Adonis wolves!*

[Folwren]

I'm here, just popping in to say that I'm around, am reading what has happened toDay and writing a post at the same time.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

How can you possibly make something of an example? I was attempting to demonstrate a situation involving loyalties of lovers, so R&J was the first thing that popped to mind. But how can you fault me for which one died first when in fact in the play BOTH of them died, where as my example was about a situation demonstrating the loyalties of a lover who remains alive? It had nothing whatsoever to do with the plot of the play. I mean... this is a stupid thing to even bother commenting on.

Oh yes, I meant to comment on that earlier. Meeper, well... you've said it yourself: what kind of non-innocent slip could that possibly be?

[autume98]

I have to say that I don't like this what could be the beginning of a Lottie wagon at all. Obviously I don't like the votes towards me, but I'm really not liking the votes for Lottie either. I can't say I like Mira's vote for phantom. I'm really not sure what to think about her. She pops in then heads out, and her votes haven't sat well with me from the beginning. I understand family stuff coming up, but what about Day one and toDay?

Edit: x-ed with Nerwen

[Macalaure]

Would everybody drop it a notch, please? Heated arguments are one thing, and it's all been fun for a while, but personal attacks and offenses are really going too far now.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

I mean tp has oftentimes good points to make but that shouldn't make you eat everything he says. Really. Did Hestia turnn into a seer - and into a real seer? How do you show me that so as I could believe it?

Dude, are you kidding me?

1) Glirdan practically spells it out in the narrative that Hestia is a Seer now.

2) And where have I stated that we knew she was the real Seer? I'm quite aware that she may be false, and that's part of the reason I was against Sally's plan! (The Rangers might be protecting someone useless.)

Ah, and Meeper carried her insanity further by voting for me. Her reasoning is so awful that I almost want to suspect her for it. *grits teeth* But I don't. I still feel good about her. But she's not doing us any favors.

And Mac- another Lottie vote? I'm telling you, she's clean.

And is this day turning into Tum versus Lottie? I'm totally not liking this.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by the phantom

And is this day turning into Tum versus Lottie? I'm totally not liking this.

Not liking that either are up on the menu, or just that Lottie is? If the latter, I agree.

[Nienna]

Mmk so I'm still around but if things don't start happening I'm going to go to bed probably before deadline. Just letting everyone know.

I'd much prefer Tum over Lottie. Just mentioning.

[the phantom]

Inzil- neither is my preference.

And does anyone have a tally?

[Rikae]

Well, Tum, you'll be pleased to know that toDay I won't be making a throwaway vote, since someone who actually has votes looks reasonably suspicious to me. It doesn't seem as if any of my other suspects are going to be on the chopping block, so...

++Autume

Sorry, Phantom.

[satansaloser2005]

Phantom, dear, the point of that plan was to make sure that the rangers weren't protecting someone useless.

Let me spell it out for you (and improve it a bit, since I didn't completely plot it out).

1. ToNight, Hestia would dream of Nogrod (or someone else that seemed a common suspect, for that matter).
2. ToMorrow, Hestia would come out.
3. Tomorrow, we would lynch the person Hestia dreamed.
4. If the person's role is what Hestia was told, we know Hestia is the real seer, and the rangers protect him/her. If the person's role isn't, the rangers can still protect him/her, but not of course on as strict a basis because Hestia's basically an ordo.

Of course if we agree on toMorrow's lynch toDay (which I actually don't want to do, but it's necessary for the plan if we pull it off like this) Hestia doesn't have to come out, instead just dreaming of Player X and finding out their validity at the end of the Day. Apollo could of course dream of that person as well, but that'd be a bit silly.


Again, I don't care about the plan, like whether we do it or not, but I don't see why people are saying it's so illogical. Personally, I'd like to know if I was the real seer or not. Maybe it's just me, but I think it would be helpful to the village (especially if we didn't have Hestia come out and both seers kept to the shadows and just learned their validity and were able to operate as normal).


EDIT: x'd since Phantom's 730. Darn it, I want to get my Foley analysis pasted in but keep getting distracted by other posts. Back in a tick.

EDIT #2: I had "seers protecting someone useless" at first, but fixed it. Whoops.