WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[Nogrod]

Hey Obie-phantom, shouldn't you cool your fan-girls a littlle bit?

Originally Posted by autume98

phantom - I'm sooo excited to be playing with him! So far he's only been giving off good vibes and I'm not suspcious with him at all.

Anyway, if that's the level of arguments used let's just call it a day - like I will call it anyway a Day pretty soon.

Heh, no need for your fancy set-ups tp - or any nice triple-bluffs anyone... it's up to how cool you are being perceived as... like politics in the real world!

Originally Posted by Nerwen

What to make of this? Generally I'd think an experienced wolf would try to answer the points against him– I think they're rather good points, actually– properly, rather than just yelling, "Nyaaah! Wolf yerself! I hate you!" Which I believe largely sums up that post. (#666).

Or is this a tired, cornered Nogwolf giving way to frustration, and hoping he can somehow bluster his way out of trouble? An experienced innocent, you'd think, would try to answer those points too.

Mmmn. It's not easy for me to be objective about him after three Days of this...

Heh... you're quite right in a few points, like experienced, tired and frustrated... and having too little time for these few Days now.

But if you are really able to say that there are some good points, I'd really love to see them. I mean actual points other than annoyed retaliations or Lottie's "I don't like him" (and for the second time, despite your denial, you Lottie said that! word by word). I mean which are the points?

- Your innocence Nerwen? Should I take your word for it - would you take mine? Be what it may, it's something you only know and can't share (and even if I don't push for it right now doesn't mean I have forgotten it totally).
- Eonwë's role was not known by anyone before yesterDay.
- Lottie's "dislike" is no argument.
- Boro may be the false seer (I trusted the other way) but you didn't "know" it any earlier I did - and none of us actuallly know it, even now.
- Being over the top and playing it openly not considering one's own safety is not wolwery - kind of vice versa, but I might be fooling you to be sure.
- You don't know if you'd wish me dead. Happily.

So where are your actual points?

I'd really love to know them. Especially when you like to fly the flag of one who has made points and has not been given answers...

Originally Posted by Mac

I would like to nominate this game's Nogrod-Nerwen fight for the WW Hall of Fame.

I'd consider staying up late just to watch it.

If you had the chance... I'll be off in a minute (6.00AM right now) so sorry to deny you of your fun...

Anything to say now?



As a summmary...

Well I get a bad feeling from Lottie and her voting history is possibly very bad (instead of bad that fits everyone's votes!). And I just get the bad feeling from her. Sorry, no logic on top of what I have said (which is nbot little), but just a malicious feeling on top of all (read the thread to learn about other points))

I'm really at odds with Sally's masterplan (she must be a non-thinking ordo or then a wolf who has been told to suggest that to look like one).

I'm very concerned about the phantom and Rikae... and to a bit llesser extent, of Mac.

You three (four) - add Nerwen - I could really eat my hat if two of you were not wolves. Or maybe it's just one of you... if none of you is a wolf, then what could I do? Maybe eat that infamous 72oz. steak in Texas in an hour... (I could never make it) I mean 16 oz- was like real heroism for me in Amarillo.

Add to that...

Greenie threw away her vote a bit too conveniently. Actually I think she's a wolf being first such a nice towards me ("to my own amazement I'm not suspecting Nog!") and striking immediately when she thought I was away... I could bet on that. A lot.

Who of you would stand up for her if someone made a case?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I'm really at odds with Sally's masterplan (she must be a non-thinking ordo or then a wolf who has been told to suggest that to look like one).

No one tells me to do anything, no matter my role. I'm just sayin'.

Also, just because you don't like the plan (likely because I brought up the possibility of your death as part of it) doesn't mean you can call me non-thinking. If you'd make a positive contribution to the village I'd take it more lightly, but....no.

Who are you and what have you done with my darling Noggin (and his noggin)?

I suppose I'll take your point about Greenie though. The difference is, I don't think she has evil intentions; I think she's just going for the person she thinks is the best lynch. I'm majorly agreeing with her at the moment.

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

xSeeing as how I'm in this pretty content half-sleep watching Batman Forever, I'm just going to vote now so I don't fall asleep, miss deadline, and get modfired.

++phantom

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by autume98

I'm not sure where she is, but she did vote yesterDay.

Okay, good. I just noticed that she only had four posts and was concerned that I didn't remember seeing her vote yesterDay (that I remember anyway).

Originally Posted by Keeper of Dol Guldur

xSeeing as how I'm in this pretty content half-sleep watching Batman Forever, I'm just going to vote now so I don't fall asleep, miss deadline, and get modfired.

++phantom

WHAT?!?!

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Where the blazes of Hades is Kath? She'll be modfired if she stays disappeared, won't she?

She voted for Nog yesterDay, so she should be all right if she misses toDay. Come to think of it, I don't think she's been here at all toDay.

Originally Posted by Keeper of Dol Guldur

xSeeing as how I'm in this pretty content half-sleep watching Batman Forever, I'm just going to vote now so I don't fall asleep, miss deadline, and get modfired.

++phantom

Because of your analysis? Hmm. I think there are better options, but what do I know?

x/d with Sally

[Nienna]

Nog --> Lottie
Greenie --> Nog
Lal --> Lottie (2)
Zil --> Tum
Wilwa --> Tum (2)
Mira --> Phantom

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Also, just because you don't like the plan (likely because I brought up the possibility of your death as part of it) doesn't mean you can call me non-thinking. If you'd make a positive contribution to the village I'd take it more lightly, but....no.

Actually your suggestion of lynching me has nothing to do with my approval of the plan. Actually I have nothing to oppose being lynched as I'm most probably not being around that much in the few Days to come. But it's just the plain astonishment of how you are so sure Hestia is a (true) Seer? So how are you that confident? OR does it fit your position?

I mean tp has oftentimes good points to make but that shouldn't make you eat everything he says. Really. Did Hestia turnn into a seer - and into a real seer? How do you show me that so as I could believe it?

Unless you come with a plausible presentation of believable enough facts about that ultimate happy-scenario let's stick with what we have. And thence no double-seers or whatever you'd like to promise for lynching me..

Hey Wolfie, how does it feel to get caught?

EDit X'd with many

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Actually your suggestion of lynching me has nothing to do with my approval of the plan. Actually I have nothing to oppose being lynched as I'm most probably not being around that much in the few Days to come. But it's just the plain astonishment of how you are so sure Hestia is a (true) Seer? So how are you that confident? OR does it fit your position?

I mean tp has oftentimes good points to make but that shouldn't make you eat everything he says. Really. Did Hestia turnn into a seer - and into a real seer? How do you show me that so as I could believe it?

Unless you come with a plausible presentation of believable enough facts about that ultimate happy-scenario let's stick with what we have. And thence no double-seers or whatever you'd like to promise for lynching me..

Hey Wolfie, how does it feel to get caught?

Exactly why you were a good subject, for lack of a better word. And we don't know Hestia is the true seer. That's what the plan was supposed to tell us. I'm honestly hoping that Hestia would be the false seer, because then the true seer would know they were the true seer and would still be safe. Whether the plan actually would work or not I don't know, because of revenge kills and other factors, but in theory the plan could work. And yes, it fits my position. It fits my position of getting rid of what I consider a major threat (that's you, love) and at the same time allowing the gifteds to learn the truth of their gift. You have a problem with the seers being clear on their dreams why?

Also, I read the narration and made the connection myself. Hestia is "seeing things she never before thought possible", which could mean anything, it's true. However, I think Glirdan wouldn't screw with us that much. (At least I hope.) What makes you think that Phantom is some kind of god (in non-game terms here) that I'm just going to blindly follow? Do you think that little of me, or are you trying to stir up more trouble to keep suspicion away from/direct it toward someone?

I second Nerwen. I'm sorry, but you're being a severe letdown in this game. If there's something wrong I'm more than happy to let this go, but I simply can't decide why you're acting so out of normal lovely Nog character and being a complete mess.

Are you all right? Do I need to worry about you or lynch you? Or both?

*goes back to Foley analysis*

EDIT: x'd with Papa Lupine

[Nogrod]

Oh just forgot... let Hestia (or someone with real seer-abilities) dream me. That's the nice part of your plan Sally.

Let's get this thing clear so that we can concentrate on more pressing things.

*Kick Adonis wolves!*

[Folwren]

I'm here, just popping in to say that I'm around, am reading what has happened toDay and writing a post at the same time.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

How can you possibly make something of an example? I was attempting to demonstrate a situation involving loyalties of lovers, so R&J was the first thing that popped to mind. But how can you fault me for which one died first when in fact in the play BOTH of them died, where as my example was about a situation demonstrating the loyalties of a lover who remains alive? It had nothing whatsoever to do with the plot of the play. I mean... this is a stupid thing to even bother commenting on.

Oh yes, I meant to comment on that earlier. Meeper, well... you've said it yourself: what kind of non-innocent slip could that possibly be?

[autume98]

I have to say that I don't like this what could be the beginning of a Lottie wagon at all. Obviously I don't like the votes towards me, but I'm really not liking the votes for Lottie either. I can't say I like Mira's vote for phantom. I'm really not sure what to think about her. She pops in then heads out, and her votes haven't sat well with me from the beginning. I understand family stuff coming up, but what about Day one and toDay?

Edit: x-ed with Nerwen

[Macalaure]

Would everybody drop it a notch, please? Heated arguments are one thing, and it's all been fun for a while, but personal attacks and offenses are really going too far now.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

I mean tp has oftentimes good points to make but that shouldn't make you eat everything he says. Really. Did Hestia turnn into a seer - and into a real seer? How do you show me that so as I could believe it?

Dude, are you kidding me?

1) Glirdan practically spells it out in the narrative that Hestia is a Seer now.

2) And where have I stated that we knew she was the real Seer? I'm quite aware that she may be false, and that's part of the reason I was against Sally's plan! (The Rangers might be protecting someone useless.)

Ah, and Meeper carried her insanity further by voting for me. Her reasoning is so awful that I almost want to suspect her for it. *grits teeth* But I don't. I still feel good about her. But she's not doing us any favors.

And Mac- another Lottie vote? I'm telling you, she's clean.

And is this day turning into Tum versus Lottie? I'm totally not liking this.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by the phantom

And is this day turning into Tum versus Lottie? I'm totally not liking this.

Not liking that either are up on the menu, or just that Lottie is? If the latter, I agree.

[Nienna]

Mmk so I'm still around but if things don't start happening I'm going to go to bed probably before deadline. Just letting everyone know.

I'd much prefer Tum over Lottie. Just mentioning.

[the phantom]

Inzil- neither is my preference.

And does anyone have a tally?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Inzil- neither is my preference.

Who would you prefer then?

[Rikae]

Well, Tum, you'll be pleased to know that toDay I won't be making a throwaway vote, since someone who actually has votes looks reasonably suspicious to me. It doesn't seem as if any of my other suspects are going to be on the chopping block, so...

++Autume

Sorry, Phantom.

[satansaloser2005]

Phantom, dear, the point of that plan was to make sure that the rangers weren't protecting someone useless.

Let me spell it out for you (and improve it a bit, since I didn't completely plot it out).

1. ToNight, Hestia would dream of Nogrod (or someone else that seemed a common suspect, for that matter).
2. ToMorrow, Hestia would come out.
3. Tomorrow, we would lynch the person Hestia dreamed.
4. If the person's role is what Hestia was told, we know Hestia is the real seer, and the rangers protect him/her. If the person's role isn't, the rangers can still protect him/her, but not of course on as strict a basis because Hestia's basically an ordo.

Of course if we agree on toMorrow's lynch toDay (which I actually don't want to do, but it's necessary for the plan if we pull it off like this) Hestia doesn't have to come out, instead just dreaming of Player X and finding out their validity at the end of the Day. Apollo could of course dream of that person as well, but that'd be a bit silly.


Again, I don't care about the plan, like whether we do it or not, but I don't see why people are saying it's so illogical. Personally, I'd like to know if I was the real seer or not. Maybe it's just me, but I think it would be helpful to the village (especially if we didn't have Hestia come out and both seers kept to the shadows and just learned their validity and were able to operate as normal).


EDIT: x'd since Phantom's 730. Darn it, I want to get my Foley analysis pasted in but keep getting distracted by other posts. Back in a tick.

EDIT #2: I had "seers protecting someone useless" at first, but fixed it. Whoops.

[Nienna]

Nog --> Lottie
Greenie --> Nog
Lal --> Lottie (2)
Zil --> Tum
Wilwa --> Tum (2)
Mira --> Phantom
Mac --> Lottie (3)

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Nienna

Nog --> Lottie
Greenie --> Nog
Lal --> Lottie (2)
Zil --> Tum
Wilwa --> Tum (2)
Mira --> Phantom
Mac --> Lottie (3)

There are a total of 17 votes today. Six have been used leaving 11 left. That gives us a possible 11 votes. We need to use these votes wisely.

Edit: x-ed with Rikae