WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Lalaith · 08-05-2010, 02:40 PM

Right, I'm back.
The Mira-related things that were bothering me were as follows:
1. I have been working on the premise that Sally is innocent, because no-one has counter-challenged her "hints". But then I thought, what if she had somehow worked out that the AWOL Mira was a wise virgin and thus she could safely make the claim in her absence? During a long and boring drive today I went through all of this and I can't see how Sally could have been so sure, so I'm back to base assuming she actually is what she's been hinting she is.
Then..the second train of thought....
2. Why have these last 2 pesky wolves been so hard to catch?
a.The AWOL issue raised its head again...surely at least one of them must be quiet...so therefore who is the quietest?? The absent players very rarely get lynched, particularly late in to the game.
b. Then I thought, surely wouldn't Mira's non-involvement imply a non-role? But then I thought, everyone left in this game has a role of some kind. So that premise doesn't actually stand up. Particularly as Mira has a tendency of not voting one day and then voting the next, and thus avoiding modfire.
c. So then I thought, following on from that, why hasn't Mira been night-killed yet? Presumably, particularly at the point when we had two rangers on our side, the wolves must surely have been going for someone who wasn't likely to be protected.
So, the upshot of all of this is, its difficult to stand up an argument for Mira being a wolf, given her lack of play and posts, on the other hand I can't see one good reason why Mira *isn't* a wolf.

the phantom · 08-05-2010, 03:28 PM

I can understand not wanting to rule Mira out as a Wolf, but really, there's no need to worry about her on this day. Focus on the easier lynch, and then it'll really be time to get down to work on the others. For what it's worth I'm pretty darn sure Mira is fine.

the phantom · 08-05-2010, 03:30 PM

Oh, and I think someone ought to say this-

WE NEED TO BANDWAGON TODAY

There are two Werewolves and a Lover. They can vote together. If we split our votes this game is over. Completely and totally over.

If ONE innocent person votes wrong, we're done.

If ONE innocent person votes right, but for a different candidate, we're done.

So yeah, if you're up in the air about Lalaith, Folwren, Sally, or me, or someone else, today is NOT the day to test things. Find your best bet at Hades and go for it. Does anyone have a more convincing Hades argument than I have put forth?

Shastanis Althreduin · 08-05-2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Oh, and I think someone ought to say this-

WE NEED TO BANDWAGON TODAY

There are two Werewolves and a Lover. They can vote together. If we split our votes this game is over. Completely and totally over.

If ONE innocent person votes wrong, we're done.

If ONE innocent person votes right, but for a different candidate, we're done.

So yeah, if you're up in the air about Lalaith, Folwren, Sally, or me, or someone else, today is NOT the day to test things. Find your best bet at Hades and go for it. Does anyone have a more convincing Hades argument than I have put forth?

You've put forth an argument? I must have missed it somewhere. Let's see...

1 - Your argument is based on believing that Nerwen is Persephone and that I 'hinted' at her.

1a - Nerwen may very well not be Persephone - you're assuming that.

1b - Me calling Nerwen the 'light of my life' was not a hint, it was banter, much like Nerwen's initial "What in Hades?". You're assuming that, as well.

1c - (logical conclusion) Your argument is based on two assumptions, one of which I know to be faulty (from my perspective, obviously).

Besides all that, if you're really who I think you are, we shouldn't be listening to you anyway.

the phantom · 08-05-2010, 03:54 PM

You missed my entire argument, bud. I didn't just assume Nerwen was Persephone.

Greenie KNEW that she was Persephone. That's where my argument takes off from.

satansaloser2005 · 08-05-2010, 04:01 PM

Greenie knew Persephone, yes, but it's not necessarily Nerwen.

Also, an interesting quesion. Since Demeter's place was to protect Persephone, doesn't that in a way make her evil? Kind of like the cobbler's secretary or something? And if so, why would she be hinting at Persephone's identity?

Either way, really, I'm not sure I buy this.

More thoughts in a moment, but first dinner.

the phantom · 08-05-2010, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sally

Greenie knew Persephone, yes, but it's not necessarily Nerwen.

Yes it is. She's the only person Greenie ruled out as being a Wolf. Done. Over.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sally

Also, an interesting quesion. Since Demeter's place was to protect Persephone, doesn't that in a way make her evil? Kind of like the cobbler's secretary or something?

No. Persephone is not evil in the beginning, not to mention that keeping her alive is good for the tally, and in addition having Hades die before her grants an extra power to Persephone, which she may use for the good of the village.

And perhaps most importantly, she protects Persephone at night. During the night after Tum revealed, the Werewolves could have opted to kill Persephone in order to grant Hades a revenge kill to use on Tum, but Demeter's power prevented that sort of thing.

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Originally Posted by Sally

why would she be hinting at Persephone's identity?

Because she knows it could be useful to the village. For instance- right now.

08-05-2010, 02:40 PM	#1
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Right, I'm back. The Mira-related things that were bothering me were as follows: 1. I have been working on the premise that Sally is innocent, because no-one has counter-challenged her "hints". But then I thought, what if she had somehow worked out that the AWOL Mira was a wise virgin and thus she could safely make the claim in her absence? During a long and boring drive today I went through all of this and I can't see how Sally could have been so sure, so I'm back to base assuming she actually is what she's been hinting she is. Then..the second train of thought.... 2. Why have these last 2 pesky wolves been so hard to catch? a.The AWOL issue raised its head again...surely at least one of them must be quiet...so therefore who is the quietest?? The absent players very rarely get lynched, particularly late in to the game. b. Then I thought, surely wouldn't Mira's non-involvement imply a non-role? But then I thought, everyone left in this game has a role of some kind. So that premise doesn't actually stand up. Particularly as Mira has a tendency of not voting one day and then voting the next, and thus avoiding modfire. c. So then I thought, following on from that, why hasn't Mira been night-killed yet? Presumably, particularly at the point when we had two rangers on our side, the wolves must surely have been going for someone who wasn't likely to be protected. So, the upshot of all of this is, its difficult to stand up an argument for Mira being a wolf, given her lack of play and posts, on the other hand I can't see one good reason why Mira isn't a wolf. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

08-05-2010, 03:28 PM	#2
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	I can understand not wanting to rule Mira out as a Wolf, but really, there's no need to worry about her on this day. Focus on the easier lynch, and then it'll really be time to get down to work on the others. For what it's worth I'm pretty darn sure Mira is fine. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

08-05-2010, 03:30 PM	#3
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Oh, and I think someone ought to say this- WE NEED TO BANDWAGON TODAY There are two Werewolves and a Lover. They can vote together. If we split our votes this game is over. Completely and totally over. If ONE innocent person votes wrong, we're done. If ONE innocent person votes right, but for a different candidate, we're done. So yeah, if you're up in the air about Lalaith, Folwren, Sally, or me, or someone else, today is NOT the day to test things. Find your best bet at Hades and go for it. Does anyone have a more convincing Hades argument than I have put forth? __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important. Last edited by the phantom; 08-05-2010 at 03:33 PM.

08-05-2010, 03:54 PM	#5
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	You missed my entire argument, bud. I didn't just assume Nerwen was Persephone. Greenie KNEW that she was Persephone. That's where my argument takes off from. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

08-05-2010, 04:01 PM	#6
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Greenie knew Persephone, yes, but it's not necessarily Nerwen. Also, an interesting quesion. Since Demeter's place was to protect Persephone, doesn't that in a way make her evil? Kind of like the cobbler's secretary or something? And if so, why would she be hinting at Persephone's identity? Either way, really, I'm not sure I buy this. More thoughts in a moment, but first dinner. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.