WW LXXX: It's About Time!

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To me it looked like a random yet honest vote.

Originally Posted by Agan

How can it look honest (or dishonest) when there's so little to base it on?

I dunno what to say. To me it looked like an honest guess. On Day 1 there always little to base anything on (for innocent villagers). But I'm not trusting Eomer in any way.

Originally Posted by me

If she really wanted Fea to live a vote on Elf and not Pitch would make more sense to me.

Originally Posted by Agan

But did she? If you don't have a really strong feeling about someone's role, you don't usually care that much about whether they die or not, so accusing wilwa of not saving Fea by voting the proper person seems far-fetched to me. And actually I think wilwa's reason for choosing Pitch over EW was quite decent. Yes she might be a wolf, but she could also have done it as an innocent.

I seem to remember her saying that the girls looked okay and that she could vote for either Pitch or Elf. That implies that she'd rather see Fea alive than either of these two. I could be wrong though.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Nerwen: I felt like I was agreeing with everything Nerwen said, until her last post. Had she not made this post I would therefore have assumed her guilty. She makes good posts though, so whatever side she's on I want her in the village for now.

Pitch: can't get a read on him. Seems to make reasonable posts but that says nothing for his innocence or guilt. Haven't noticed him too much, really.

Wilwa: see Pitch. However, I always think the same of Wilwa so she obviously has some sort of power which prevents me from analysing her properly.

Sally: I know she always appears like a cobbler, but... I just get a feeling from her.

Lottie: need to re-read her posts, sorry. No opinion on her yet.

Greenie: don't know if it's because of my vote yesterday and I'm a stubborn fool, but she looks a bit suspicious to me. A bit too smooth, really.

skip: see Loslote. Sorry, no opinion yet.

Boro: same old Boro. No read on him but I would definitely keep him around for now because he often makes points which no-one else thinks of.

Fea: same old Fea. No read on her either. Leaning towards innocent (though if anyone could pull off lynching a packmate on the first day...)

Agan: I always, always, always suspect Aganzir. I am completely irrational so you shouldn't bother reading this post.

Eomer: pretty irrational and a no good drunkard. Lynch.

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The sharp observers among you will realise all my suspicions come from hunches. I honestly think that's very unusual for me.

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Getting a bit tired and should probably vote soon.

Might go for Pitch for his opportunistic Fea-vote and because of a sneaking suspicion and in order to open up another alternative.

Might also go for Sally because of her odd behaviour yesterDay.

Or Wilwa for reasons already stated.

Agan is clearly evil but I'm not convinced she's assigned to that part in this game.

I'm pretty good about Boro, Lottie and Fea.

Nerwen, Greenie and Eomer I've no read on.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I've just read through all Loslote's posts and the one thing that struck me is how inoffensive she is. Even when she gets closest to pinpointing someone:

"Wilwa's looking more evil than anyone else at this point, but she's still not looking excessively so."

she's careful to soften it.

Maybe it's just your character but I'd feel a lot more comfortable with you if you were wielding a sword like a crazy person and hurling abuse at people.

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Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Maybe it's just your character but I'd feel a lot more comfortable with you if you were wielding a sword like a crazy person and hurling abuse at people.

You know what, that is a bit odd. I've only played one game here on the downs but in that game Lottie was just that person, throwing all kinds of wild accusations all round. And in that game she was innocent and also correct on most accounts in her assessments.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by skip spence

You know what, that is a bit odd. I've only played one game here on the downs but in that game Lottie was just that person, throwing all kinds of wild accusations all round. And in that game she was innocent and also correct on most accounts in her assessments.

That is very intriguing, skip.

Although, in the interest of balance, I would say that I remember Loslote as being fairly quiet from a previous game. A bit Jekyll and Hyde, is she?

Some of us are considerate enough to be consistently and predictably irritating.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I've just read through all Loslote's posts and the one thing that struck me is how inoffensive she is. Even when she gets closest to pinpointing someone:

"Wilwa's looking more evil than anyone else at this point, but she's still not looking excessively so."

she's careful to soften it.

Maybe it's just your character but I'd feel a lot more comfortable with you if you were wielding a sword like a crazy person and hurling abuse at people.

Originally Posted by skip spence

You know what, that is a bit odd. I've only played one game here on the downs but in that game Lottie was just that person, throwing all kinds of wild accusations all round. And in that game she was innocent and also correct on most accounts in her assessments.

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

That is very intriguing, skip.

Although, in the interest of balance, I would say that I remember Loslote as being fairly quiet from a previous game. A bit Jekyll and Hyde, is she?

Some of us are considerate enough to be consistently and predictably irritating.

This interaction caught my eye (of course, as I was the main topic!). In my mind, Skip came out looking a lot more innocent, and Eomer a lot less so. The only game he could have been talking about was Nerwen's. Now, the logical way to proceed with this line of reasoning is, "was she a wolf in that game"? As it happens, no. I was Gifted. If I die toNight, may I ask that Eomer not be overlooked?

Also, other than this, I've gotten practially no read on Eomer, while Skip has looked pretty innocent, so my interpertation of this conversation may be biased.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Aganzir, how can you make such a long post on Day Two? It's quite frankly ridiculous.

Aren't you interested in what I have to say? Hmm I believe Cailín played in the game in which I made a 2300-word case against Mac, but that wasn't Day 2! (Oh yes she did because I remember assassinating her.)

I already explained why I think the EW voting was suspicious

I still quite don't understand if you thought so only yesterday or also today (I got the impression it was the latter). I mean, it feels odd if you find a bandwagon suspicious that killed a wolf, even if it was mostly good luck... Do you really expect the wolves had planned it (or it was the seer's work)?

If the two wolves are among the four voters, one at least is gonna get a free ride right to the end of the game.

I know we shouldn't ignore anybody just because they happened to kill a wolf, but it looks mighty cobblerish to me to try to direct our attention to the people who voted for EW.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

In response to Agan. I don't approach Day 1s with the same contempt that others do --- in the experimental larger games, I typically say something controversial, to get attention and people talking about me and from there I can sort out who looks evil and rotten and who doesn't.

Hmm what was that a response to? I mean, I don't think I had any more questions about your day 1 activities. You're beginning to look rather jumpy with your lengthy explanations of your behaviour.
For the record, I don't think there are many people here who actually hate day 1s so much. See, even Fea, who seems to post mostly nonsense, sets traps in her posts and draws conclusions based on how people react to them. And what stops you from being controversial in traditional games? I don't think it's all that difficult.
I just realised something (which I'm not going to speak about right now - hope that makes me seem more like normal me, ie. annoying, Greenie ) and am actually beginning to get somewhat bad vibes from Boro.

Originally Posted by Boro

Had I been concerned about saving, TEW or not, I wouldn't have even made that post.

We others have no way of knowing whether you'd actually have done it. We have no way of knowing if the wolves had an ingenious plan to lynch EW (or somebody else, it could've been any one of them) to make the others look better. Unlikely as it is, we can't really ignore it. Besides, I've seen a Borowolf before who behaved exactly the way I didn't expect him to, and I got to pay for it.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

my logic would warn me against an Agan who doesn't annoy me at all.

If you'd like, I can try my best to fix that.

Greenie's summary looks relatively genuine.

Originally Posted by skip spence

To me it looked like an honest guess. On Day 1 there always little to base anything on (for innocent villagers). But I'm not trusting Eomer in any way.

What do you mean by an honest guess, and how can you tell it from a dishonest guess or a simple "I need to get someone lynched so I'll just throw there a few reasons and that should be enough" kind of vote? And when saying you don't trust Eomer in any way, do you mean you're not convinced he's innocent, or you find him completely unworthy of your trust?

That implies that she'd rather see Fea alive than either of these two.

I think that only implies she didn't want to vote for Fea. If she had said she thought Fea was innocent, I would have expected her to try to save her, but she didn't say so. If I don't have any strong suspects, I'm usually happy whichever way the lynch turns out - after all, others might have noticed things I never paid attention to.

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I felt like I was agreeing with everything Nerwen said, until her last post. Had she not made this post I would therefore have assumed her guilty.

Huh? She appeared guilty to you because you agreed with her? I wonder what that makes you. ;-)

Sally: I know she always appears like a cobbler, but... I just get a feeling from her.

I know exactly what you mean.

Agan: I always, always, always suspect Aganzir. I am completely irrational so you shouldn't bother reading this post.

Aww, why? :-p

Originally Posted by skip spence

Agan is clearly evil but I'm not convinced she's assigned to that part in this game.

Trying to flatter me eh?

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Maybe it's just your character but I'd feel a lot more comfortable with you if you were wielding a sword like a crazy person and hurling abuse at people.

I definitely agree with you. The Lottie I'm used to (based on only one game with her, though) was really, how shall I phrase it, strong with her suspicions. ;-)

Okay I had to leave for a while and you guys posted some more...

Originally Posted by Eomer

can you explain what you mean in that post? I really can't figure it out.

I believe she thinks you accuse her because her behaviour is similar to a gifted!Lottie's... But to be honest I'm not entirely sure about the meaning of that post either.

Originally Posted by skip

ps. you know who I mean by us!

Huh?? Okay skip just rose much higher on my cobbler list.

Alright they need me again, will read & comment on the rest of the posts later.