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skip spence · 08-30-2010, 06:32 PM

Nerwen, you don't happen to be around?

What time is it in Oz now? (yes, lazy I know)

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by skip spence

Nerwen, you don't happen to be around?

What time is it in Oz now? (yes, lazy I know)

Half past 10am if a random website I googled is to be trusted.

skip spence · 08-30-2010, 06:46 PM

Yeah okay no point in delaying this any longer...

It's either he, Agan or Lottie (disregarding Pitch as I'd feel terrible lynching him)...

True, Eomer hasn't been caught with his pants down but be that as it may, I think he's our best bet to get a wolf at this point. Not an easy lynch mind you, but if you ask me, a necessary one.

++Eomer

Loslote · 08-30-2010, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by skip spence

[*highlight]++Eomer[/highlight]

Say what now? My head hurts.

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 06:51 PM

For the love of sweet binary....

There's just too much sauce in the brain pan.

Nerwen · 08-30-2010, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Loslote

Say what now? My head hurts.

Indeed.

Agan, what do you think of the fact that Skip just voted Eomer?

EDIT:X'd since last post.

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 06:54 PM

Many things about this are not good....

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

Indeed.

Agan, what do you think of the fact that Skip just voted Eomer?

Either he thinks Eomer is innocent (thus Lottie is a wolf) or he thinks Eomer is a wolf, is sure one of them is going to die and wants to make the other look better. Assuming, of course, he's the cobbler.

I'd rather kill him than Eomer though. (News to anybody?)

satansaloser2005 · 08-31-2010, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

Indeed.

Agan, what do you think of the fact that Skip just voted Eomer?

EDIT:X'd since last post.

Lottie, what do you think of the fact that Nerwen said this to Agan?

Seriously though, I was terrified for a moment that I'd misjudged and that Nerwen and Agan were the wolves, about to jump onto Lottie and end the game. Of course Agan had already voted, but I was still paranoid for a bit.

Nerwen, what's going on here?

Loslote · 08-31-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Lottie, what do you think of the fact that Nerwen said this to Agan?

Seriously though, I was terrified for a moment that I'd misjudged and that Nerwen and Agan were the wolves, about to jump onto Lottie and end the game. Of course Agan had already voted, but I was still paranoid for a bit.

Nerwen, what's going on here?

Honestly, I'm not reading much into it. It could be that Nerwen's the cobber, and had figured out that Agan was a wolf - which would still fit in with the probability that Skip dreamed her and found her innocent - or she could be an ordo who happened to trust Agan. Up until the very end of yesterDay, so did I, so I can hardly blame her for it.

Aganzir · 09-01-2010, 05:12 AM

Aieeee I totally screwed this up.

I'm sorry skip!

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Originally Posted by Lottie

Was his Seer-hinting towards Eomer a bluff? Or had he dreamed of Pitchie earlier and found him guilty?

If he had dreamed of two wolves, he would have come out yesterday.

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Originally Posted by Lottie

From what he said at the end of yesterDay, and from Agan's insistance that we lynch Skip, I'd guess that he dreamed of Agan, and that she's our last wolf.

Trust me Lottie, if I was a wolf, I so totally wouldn't try to lynch the one I thought was the cobbler when his survival would've meant we win - especially as there were several people who said we shouldn't waste our time looking for the cobbler. I would have gone after somebody there was at least a decent chance to lynch, for example you. Aganwolf would have said: "He's probably the cobbler but let's not worry about him right now, let's try to get a wolf instead!" Just ask Nerwen.

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Originally Posted by Lottie

Also, that earlier bit says that he dreamed of Agan, me, or Pitchie last Night, because he wouldn't have dreamed of someone he didn't suspect.

It does indeed look like he dreamed of Nerwen, but I don't think we can say for sure he didn't suspect, ie. didn't dream of sally last night. It's a dangerous assumption; who knows if he had been reading through the thread during the night and noticed something suspicious that prompted him to dream sally? I'm not saying that's the case, it's just a bit too simple to exclude her because of a single comment.

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

Agan was pushing heavily for skip being the cobbler. Then he voted the leading wolf-suspect– which was hardly the most obvious thing for a cobbler to do.

Exactly... I was surprised when he did it and began to have second thoughts, but I was still rather convinced he was the cobbler.

I'll go through skip's posts too (at this point of the game, it isn't safe to trust somebody else's judgement :-p), and I'm also planning to take a look at Eomer's interaction with people. One thing is sure, though - the wolves had really decided to sacrifice him if need be, given that each and every one of us had been going after him to an extent.

Aganzir · 09-01-2010, 06:08 AM

Day 1: skip doesn't really say anything definite about anyone (it's mostly just banter), but his reasons for voting EW look so forced that it seems he dreamed of a wolf and tried to come up with a decent explanation to vote for him. Difficult, given that he had just made one post.

Day 2: He analyses day 1's voting. While he doesn't say anything conclusive about anyone, he semi-defends Fea by writing of those who voted for her in suspicious-ish light. He marks, though, that even her vote for EW or EW's for her don't clear her. The other two people he felt better about were Lottie and Boro for their votes that sealed EW's fate. It could be said it points to a Fea dream, but then there's this:

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Originally Posted by Boro

Like for instance, today I'm feeling far more trusting of Skip today than yesterday.

To me it looks like there's something to it. They couldn't afford to be blatantly friendly with each other because otherwise the wolves would've noticed it, but I think he could have dreamed of Boro.

Day 3: He suggests there were no wolves among the wilwa-voters, ie. Nerwen and Greenie are innocent. Now, he couldn't have dreamed of them both on night 3, and he didn't treat either of them like a known innocent earlier. He is semi-suspicious of Eomer, Lottie and Pitch, isn't too worried about Fea, thinks I am rather cobblerish, and is very concerned about sally (whom she voted for). I think he could have dreamed of either Nerwen (innocent), Greenie or Fea. However, it's really weird he makes such a case of no wolf having voted for wilwa because he obviously couldn't have known it for sure...

Day 4: He tells Nerwen he wouldn't lynch her, pretty much saying "she's innocent". It would be rather dumb of him to say that without having dreamed of her. He considers voting for Pitch, saying it looked like he and I were trying to frame him, but he didn't think I was a wolf. His dreaming of me might explain why he was so reluctant to reply to my points against him.

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Originally Posted by skip

I expect that Lottie would reveal if she's the Seer with a positive on Eomer. That would be the wise thing to do at this point.

So does this mean he hadn't dreamed of Eomer?
He considered voting Eomer, me or Lottie (because Pitch was unavailable). It's pretty certain he hadn't dreamed of sally - he talks so little of her.

Based on this, I'd suggest the following:
Night 1 - EW
Night 2 - Boro (maybe Fea)
Night 3 - Greenie (maybe Nerwen or Fea)
Night 4 - Nerwen (maybe Eomer or me)
Night 5 - could be anybody

Of course it's also possible he dreamed of somebody the night they died and we have therefore no evidence... But at least Nerwen's innocence shouldn't be a question.

satansaloser2005 · 09-01-2010, 08:24 AM

Shhhh. I'm not really here. *sneaks* Vewwy vewwy quiet, hunting wolves, etc.

Anyway, I have to point this out, because I find it relevant.

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Originally Posted by Skippity, speaking of possible wolves

It's either [Eomer], Agan or Lottie (disregarding Pitch as I'd feel terrible lynching him)...

From this we can conclude the following....

Dreamed Innocent (if at all)
Nerwen
Sally

Dreamed Guilty (if at all)
Agan
Lottie

It's unclear what Pitch's dream result would have been, as he's place with the possible wolves but disregarded in the same sentence (albeit with a meta excuse) so I'm not sure what Skip was trying to say about him there.

And of course the cobbler will turn up as innocent, so it's possible that Nerwen (or myself, for the benefit of argument) could be the cobbler.

Still, from that, if we're basing toDay's lynch on Skip's words, we should lynch Agan, Pitch, or Lottie.

I'll repeat myself (and Skip, for that matter) and say that Lottie and Eomer aren't fellows. Thus my lynch vote toDay must go to either Agan or Pitchie, with Nerwen as a far-off third.

Also, I have the crazy yet insanely plausible theory that I've been wrong about Agan all along, and that she's just the cobbler. Otherwise that would be some INTENSELY obvious wolvery from her, what with the cobbler-killing and all. Besides, I think Agan's more than clever enough to have picked up on Skippity's earlier hints, hence her desire to lynch him. (Not to say that no one else could have picked up on his hints, mind, but she's the one trying to lynch him, so it makes sense.) I'll have to think about it and come to my final conclusion on her.

Unfortunately, we can't afford to give Pitch a pass toDay even with his family circumstances, so if he doesn't return I don't want to see anyone using that as an excuse to let him pass. (By the same token, I don't want to attack him. It's just that letting him live based on meta circumstances is not the most prudent game move at this juncture. I think he would understand.)

EDIT: x'd with Nerwen

Nerwen · 08-30-2010, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by skip spence

Nerwen, you don't happen to be around?

What time is it in Oz now? (yes, lazy I know)

I'm back. And it's 10:37 AM, but I'm not working today– at least, I should be, but I'm actually waiting around for some other people to get their acts together.

So I'll be probably be around until DL this time– unless my connection dies on me, which I can't guarantee it won't.

EDIT:X'd with 2 Agans.

08-30-2010, 06:32 PM	#1
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,125	Nerwen, you don't happen to be around? What time is it in Oz now? (yes, lazy I know) __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan

08-30-2010, 06:46 PM	#3
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,125	Yeah okay no point in delaying this any longer... It's either he, Agan or Lottie (disregarding Pitch as I'd feel terrible lynching him)... True, Eomer hasn't been caught with his pants down but be that as it may, I think he's our best bet to get a wolf at this point. Not an easy lynch mind you, but if you ask me, a necessary one. ++Eomer __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan

08-30-2010, 06:51 PM	#5
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	For the love of sweet binary.... There's just too much sauce in the brain pan. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

08-30-2010, 06:54 PM	#7
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Many things about this are not good.... __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.