horncall of buckland

[Inziladun]

Ah. Sorry, I missed that.

In the interest of a pedantic argument, I would wonder why, if there was anything special about the horn used to sound the call, why the wording in the book says that the "horn-call of Buckland" is heard, and not something like the "Horn of Buckland", to note it wasn't an ordinary horn?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Ah. Sorry, I missed that.

In the interest of a pedantic argument, I would wonder why, if there was anything special about the horn used to sound the call, why the wording in the book says that the "horn-call of Buckland" is heard, and not something like the "Horn of Buckland", to note it wasn't an ordinary horn?

Beat you to that one, my friend– see my post at #14.

[Inziladun]

Seems like that's pretty much it, then.

*throws up hands and walks off, whistling*

[alman]

And Alman, I hate to pick on newbies, but you really are jumping the gun on this one. Before you begin the speculation on how the Talking Horn worked, where it came from and what it sounded like, how about proving that there was a Talking Horn?

the book does that for me. The call is Fear fire foes, awake awake.
not bwa bwa bwa. and, as I stated, no other horn is associated with a word. Why no horn of hornburg blown by helm the hammerhand with some word of revenge or fear? why no call of theoden"forward" instead of bursting asunder? why no horn of Merry from scatha the worm that lifts the hearts of all who hear it have some meaning/words?
also, the phoneCALL i recieved was someone speaking to me on the other end, not just the ring of the phone. Someone may call out to you as well. A call can be a voice or just noise.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by alman

And Alman, I hate to pick on newbies, but you really are jumping the gun on this one. Before you begin the speculation on how the Talking Horn worked, where it came from and what it sounded like, how about proving that there was a Talking Horn?

the book does that for me. The call is Fear fire foes, awake awake.
not bwa bwa bwa. and, as I stated, no other horn is associated with a word. Why no horn of hornburg blown by helm the hammerhand with some word of revenge or fear? why no call of theoden"forward" instead of bursting asunder? why no horn of Merry from scatha the worm that lifts the hearts of all who hear it have some meaning/words?
also, the phoneCALL i recieved was someone speaking to me on the other end, not just the ring of the phone. Someone may call out to you as well. A call can be a voice or just noise.

You still haven't answered my points. Look at them again.

[alman]

or, you may prove that it did not talk.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by alman

or, you may prove that it did not talk.

I don't have to– you're the one making the claim, so the burden of proof is on you. Them's the breaks, kid.

[Ibrîniðilpathânezel]

There was no "magic talking horn" involved. In the Scouring of the Shire, when Merry rides off, he says that he's going to blow the horn of Rohan to give the ruffians some "different music," and shortly thereafter, Sam "heard Merry change the note, and up went the Horn-cry of Buckland, shaking the air." If a specific magic horn was required, Merry would not have been able to play it on another horn. It was nothing more than a specific sequence of notes, devised by the folk of Buckland to be a warning of danger, summoning aid. Heaven knows there are plenty of examples in history of specific horn or bugle calls being used for specific purposes — like attack, retreat, go to sleep, etc., or to identify certain inidivuals, as Tolkien mentions Faramir's horn call in The Siege of Minas Tirith.

I actually did write my take on the horn call of Buckland as the introduction to my theme for Merry in my FotR symphony, but it's in one of the movements that currently exists only as a rather mediocre sounding recording of a MIDI instrument rendition. Maybe I should post it on my site, anyway, 'cause it doesn't look as if I'll finish rescoring it in the near future....

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by alman

The call is Fear fire foes, awake awake.
not bwa bwa bwa. and, as I stated, no other horn is associated with a word. Why no horn of hornburg blown by helm the hammerhand with some word of revenge or fear? why no call of theoden"forward" instead of bursting asunder? why no horn of Merry from scatha the worm that lifts the hearts of all who hear it have some meaning/words?

Actually, it appears that there might be another instance of a horn-call being associated with words, according to how one interprets it.
After Théoden bursts the horn prior to the charge of the Rohirrim, we have this:

And straightaway all the horns in the host were lifted up in music, and the blowing of the horns of Rohan in that hour was like a storm upon the plain and thunder in the mountains.
Ride now, Ride now! Ride to Gondor!

ROTK The Ride of the Rohirrim

The indication looks to me that the "Ride now!" call there was contained in the music of the horns, not in a spoken command.

[Puddleglum]

And straightaway all the horns in the host were lifted up in music, and the blowing of the horns of Rohan in that hour was like a storm upon the plain and thunder in the mountains.
Ride now, Ride now! Ride to Gondor!

Originally Posted by Inziladun

The indication looks to me that the "Ride now!" call there was contained in the music of the horns, not in a spoken command.

Possibly, tho it's always seemed to me that these words were also cried out by Theoden (even tho that isn't explicitly stated). Ie, that the sequence was:

1. Theoden makes his "arise now" call, ending with a first "Ride now, Ride now, Ride to Gondor"
2. Theoden blows such a blast that his horn bursts.
3. The Rohirrim respond with a blowing of horns "like a storm upon the plain."
4. Energy builds until Theoden cries again "Ride now, Ride now! Ride to Gondor!", Yells to & spurs Snowmane, and leads the Glorious Charge; Adrenaline pumping; "Borne up as a god of old, even as Orome the great in the battle of the Valar when the world was young."

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Puddleglum

Possibly, tho it's always seemed to me that these words were also cried out by Theoden (even tho that isn't explicitly stated). Ie, that the sequence was:

1. Theoden makes his "arise now" call, ending with a first "Ride now, Ride now, Ride to Gondor"
2. Theoden blows such a blast that his horn bursts.
3. The Rohirrim respond with a blowing of horns "like a storm upon the plain."
4. Energy builds until Theoden cries again "Ride now, Ride now! Ride to Gondor!", Yells to & spurs Snowmane, and leads the Glorious Charge; Adrenaline pumping; "Borne up as a god of old, even as Orome the great in the battle of the Valar when the world was young."

Again, it could be an interpretation issue, but my feeling is that if the "Ride Now!" came after the horns answered Théoden's first shout, and were spoken by him, the wording would indicate that.
As it is, we have a passage describing horns blowing in response to Théoden in what seems to be a "call to arms", then a statement that Théoden "cried to Smowmane and the horse sprang away".
Could it be as you say? Sure. But I think there's room for discussion, either way.