Werewolf LXXXI: Under the Misty Mountains

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

In my humble opinion it is downright silly to make a "rule" that say only two votes per representative. You should vote for the person you find fit for the job and not some half-random person whos only merits is that they don't have two votes yet. . Not only does it provide excellent cover for SoE, but more importantly it is no fun.

I want political intrigue, I want representatives who abuse power and then get brutally punished come next election time. . . or more realistic, gets re-elected.

No, I don't think we need a rule like that. But I did want multiple reps toDay, and no-one having absolute power– because as I said, that way the lynch most likely ends up telling us nothing.

EDIT:typo

[Nerwen]

So let's talk about people (other than phantom).

Rune, got any suspicions? Or thoughts, anyway?

[Thinlómien]

Just talked with Greenie on the phone. Apparently her internet died so that totally mucked up her participation plans and now she is heading to her start of term party so it's a bit unclear how she can participate. She might come to my place at night to read and vote quickly, or just call me (or Agan if you don't trust my impartiality ) to send her vote to Fea and Nienna if they accept it.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

She might come to my place at night to read and vote quickly, or just call me (or Agan if you don't trust my impartiality ) to send her vote to Fea and Nienna if they accept it.

This is acceptable. Just remember as you normally would to maintain role secrecy.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I will be leaving now, I probably won't be back until very late and then only for short amount of time.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

I will be leaving now, I probably won't be back until very late and then only for short amount of time.

We'll miss you, Runeorc.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The phantom will henceforth be known as phorc.

[Inziladun]

Well, I'm not displeased with the reps we have. I do think it's better to have several reps with a fairly even amount of power over one or two with a large number of votes.

Originally Posted by Folwren

k, I just briefly glanced over the forty plus posts I missed in my absense. I'd like to suggest that we kill Phantom this evening. Using his own logic, the first death is a stab in the dark anyway, so it may as well be him, right?

Heh. That's pretty good.

Originally Posted by Folwren

It is simply not logical that he could not see or concede how Sally's and Lottie's votes were indeed not logical or worth while. He could at LEAST concede that it would have made some more sense that they'd waited, but no, he argues that their votes were perfectly understandable, justifiable, and even comendable.

That's the way I see the Sally and Lottie votes too. I don't know whether tp is a SoE, but I flat-out disagree with him on this. And it feels likely that there's a SoE among the three of them.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Oh, and regarding the term "baddie"– I still refuse to submit to the phantom's dictum that we should speak of the village as "evil" and the wolves (Elves) as "good". Too confusing. I've been in reversed-alignment villages before, and we didn't do that.

I've been having a hard time with that too. Why make things more confusing than necessary?

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

That said, in any case, I would like to urge the "common folk" to continue participating as much as we can, even continue toDay as if it was a normal Day and we ourselves were supposed to vote - I think that way, the extended 48-hour Day's full potential can be used.

I don't want the non-reps to just switch off in the latter half of the Day either. For that reason, I don't like Boro's saying he was pretty much done with toDay.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Then to the rep choices... I kind of like them, but I have a feeling there's at least one if not two SoE among them simply because so many people I think innocent are NOT among the reps. I'm not too happy about phantom and me having more power than the others, but it's better that there's the two of us.

I think it's likely SoE's managed to get at least one of themselves elected. Why wouldn't they? But having a larger number of voting reps gives us more to work with toMorrow.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I would rather not attempt lynching tp toDay (unless there is stuff to point at his guilt) because it would further make the whole Day concentrate on him because he has a substantial amount of the total votes and he has made it quite clear he is going to use them to protect himself, which will potentially just cause damage in the form of making a random and ill-advised lynch.

Vexing as tp is, I don't think he should be the sole focus for the rest of toDay, and I don't know I'd vote for his lynch. But I probably would go for him, Sally, or Lottie.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

So let's talk about people (other than phantom).

Rune, got any suspicions? Or thoughts, anyway?

Well, I do have a few thoughts.

I have been very surprised with the passion that Boro attacked Sally and Lottie's votes for the Phantom. He clearly put a lot of effort into the trash talking of these people. I am not totally unsympathetic to the points he made, but I don't think I have ever seen Boro act in that manner on a Day1. Just like Lommy he seems to have undergone some sort of change, only Lommy's change seems more natural to me.

It has to be said that I haven't played these games for a while, so am judging them on old memories.

After reading through the thread I have grown increasingly fond of Folwren, she seems be very to the point and actually makes a reasonable ammount of sense. I am not sure I agree with her thoughts about which kind of people who runs for representative #73, but that is the only thing I object to.

Legate and Nogrod seems very much like them selves. Nogrod is less active and haven't been fighting as much with me as usual, but that is surely due to his failing internet connection.

If I had been a representative I would probably end up voting for either Glirdan or Greenie or maybe Steve.
Glirdan seems to react to small things and I generally cannot figure him out.
Greenie and Steve would mostly be due to the way they have posted rather than actual wolfish speach. Greenie started out with a bunch of small comments to what people had said and then made a small list. . . I guess it is quite al right for a day1, but it just seemed like she was trying not to commit her self too much. I got much the same feeling from Steve, but as I said it is not something very concrete.

[Thinlómien]

Boro, explanation accepted.
Phantom, I should probably ignore your posts henceforth because otherwise I will just start writing counter-argument novels.

Not too worried about atm
Boro
Foley
Greenie
Legate
Nog
Rune
Stëonwë

Slightly worried about atm
Celuien
Glirdy
Izzy
Kath
Lottie
Mira
Nerwen
Phantom
Shasta
Wilwa
Zil

Mostly the people on the first list are people I feel good about, the rest are lumped to list 2. I'm really rather lost about the SoE's identities, if I had to make a shot in the dark I'd say Sally, Celuien, Glirdy and Wilwa but I really have no idea at all, especially the two last names on the list are total randomness. I still think not all tp voters are innocent, and after a bit of thinking I think the most probable option for a nasty elf is Sally (Lottie has defended her actions as if she really was doing the right thing and Mira was too careless to be a wolf). Celuien I just have a random bad feeling about, and the same goes to lesser extent for Glirdy and to even lesser extent for Wilwa.


edit: xed with Shastax2 and Boro

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Lommy

I think the most probable option for a nasty elf is Sally (Lottie has defended her actions as if she really was doing the right thing and Mira was too careless to be a wolf).

I endorse this comment completely - it's exactly what I was thinking.

[Nogrod]

In a bit hurry right now (the pub is getting overcrowded with ice hockey supporters as the season begins today). I'll come back here later for some points I'm hopefully able to make then.

But I have read the stuff for now and must say I am pleased with us having seven representatives for D1. And to make it clear in the face of some points raised lately: I don't think we should have a "rule" that we should have the maximum number of representatives every Day. That would be a stupid rule indeed. We need to be flexible with the reps, but in the beginning I really think "the more the merrier".

Also I back the idea that we non-representatives should try to give all we can to the process. Let's help our representatives as much as we can - and treat people who shy away from helping as possible traitors trying to lay low purposefully.


I don't like doing this now - all this talk about tp - but it seems I have to...

So phantom, I do admire your energy and plotting, but tell us one thing. Well two things.

Why did you defend Sally & Lottie as ones who made a bright and intentional move in the beginning (which intention of theirs you explained to us in quite a detail instead of letting them tell us why they voted for you) but have now lapsed back into just talking about statistics?

Why did you first talk of their votes for you as something you triggered as a part of your masterplan but after being pointed out about the time-flaw (especially concerning Sally), have stayed quiet about it?


I'll try to come up with a list of people as to what I think about everyone later - and hopefully being also able to comment on the lively discussion that will happen while I'm away.

But I can say right now that you reps should have very strong reasons if you would lynch Shasta. It's not the fact that he argues against tp (tp might be innocent anyway), but it's the way he does it. I'd be almost as assured of Foley's innocence, but not just that much.

Boro is odd and Legate's posting makes me nervous.

Let's see if another read changes things, but these are the top of my impressions right now after quickly reading the stuff - and trying in vain to concentrate in an overcrowded and noisy pub...

EDIT: x'd with Lommy & Rune

[wilwarin538]

I'm here, in class right now so I'll be trying to read and catch up while also taking notes, but there should be a response from me very soon.