WW: LXXXIV - Middle Earth in Fifteen Minutes

[Nerwen]

I know! Let's lynch all of her!

÷÷elronds_daughter÷÷
÷÷Wolfronhubbard÷÷
÷÷elronds_wolf÷÷
÷÷wolfronds_daughter÷÷
÷÷Wolfra÷÷
÷÷Elwolf÷÷

[elronds_daughter]

Rats. Am I really that suspiciois a character that you accuse me so readily? Or is it "let's pick on the newbie" day?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

The Heir - well nothing much to speculate about. Sort of makes the game more even and gives leeway for whichever side fumbles first.

"Enemies of the Heir, beware. You'll be next, Mudbloods!" Wait, wrong fandom.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Inziladun considers me a wolf but I shouldn't have told him that.

So you admit that you haven't heard of Al? Not even this song?

Originally Posted by elronds_daughter

Of course now everybody is suspecting me, just because of a little bit of self-preservational instinct (which was probably a bad idea, in hindsight...). Maybe next time I should just jump to someone else's defense, instead of my own. (Newbie wolf mistake, Lommy? You sure it's not just a plain old newbie mistake?)

Still, I won't exactly be surprised if I'm the first innocent lynched. And you'll have no one to blame but yourselves.

I haven't played with you before, so I won't be voting for you toDay. Typical newbie pass. Hyper-nerviness is a common wolf-cub trait, however.

x/d with rondi, ED, ??

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

"Enemies of the Heir, beware. You'll be next, Mudbloods!"

Maybe I should have given you the Draco Malfoy Puppet song...

Anywho, I'm all for wolf's_daughter as a wolf-name for dear elronhubbard. Not that I'll vote for her (like Zil said, newbie pass) but this really is an issue that must be cleared up early.

Also, I'mma dissapear right after making this post. Just so you know.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, I must say, as somebody mentioned here before, I would have expected somewhat more posts around here. As in, I know that it's hard to say (Day 1, we all know the usual arguments and problems with it...) still, this looks entirely "uninterested". Except for the few comments by/about Hubbard's daughter, which I originally thought were just joke as well (but some people, including herself, seem to take it seriously? Or am I mistaken?), and Lommy's short evaluation of the Heir, there isn't very much to go with.

Speaking of the Heir, I think that does not have much of a practical use in the beginning, but perhaps if we managed to lynch our Seer or something as lovely as that, it might prove rather useful. It can of course serve the Wolves as well, but for me, the main point of it is a failsafe against random Day 1 Seer-lynch (which is what haunts me the most after my last game).

What else? Where are all the vocal players when we need them? It might be a small village on Day 1, but come on. If first 12 hours of the Day 1 are spent in banter, why not, but I think slowly we should try to move on...

Shall be around...

[elronds_daughter]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Except for the few comments by/about Hubbard's daughter, which I originally thought were just joke as well (but some people, including herself, seem to take it seriously? Or am I mistaken?)...

Well, Legate, it was honestly intended to be lighthearted. Nerwen seems to be taking it more seriously than originally planned.

Originally Posted by Zil

x/d with rondi, ED, ??

Zil, you may call me what you wish. "Hubbard" seems to be coming out of the woodwork...

[Loslote]

Earlier toDay, I noted that, if elronhubbard did turn out to be a wolf, Zil would be a likely candidate for her packmate, based on this:

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I haven't played with you before, so I won't be voting for you toDay. Typical newbie pass. Hyper-nerviness is a common wolf-cub trait, however.

being an almost wolfish response to a packmate coming under suspicion - start off pointing out why we should not lynch her, then saying 'but she could be a wolf' so that he could point to that if she was lynched anyway - but after re-reading the thread, I've come to the conclusion that they would be unlikely packmates, based on purely meta-lic reasoning. Elra calls him Zil, but Zil introduces himself as Inzil. If they were packmates, she'd have spent all last Night thinking of him as Inzil. But, because I call him Zil, that's what non-packmate!Elra would have first associated with ThePersonKnownAsInziladun - and what she would call her.

I have no idea if that makes any sense at all. To me, it sort of looks like my brain spewed onto the computer...but hey, we've got nothing else going on.

[elronds_daughter]

Thank you, Lottie. Your support is greatly appreciated.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

The Heir is going to cause a bit of havoc in this game. If we're exceptionally lucky the first special player to die will be the Hunter in taking down a wolf.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Earlier toDay, I noted that, if elronhubbard did turn out to be a wolf, Zil would be a likely candidate for her packmate, based on this:



being an almost wolfish response to a packmate coming under suspicion - start off pointing out why we should not lynch her, then saying 'but she could be a wolf' so that he could point to that if she was lynched anyway - but after re-reading the thread, I've come to the conclusion that they would be unlikely packmates, based on purely meta-lic reasoning. Elra calls him Zil, but Zil introduces himself as Inzil. If they were packmates, she'd have spent all last Night thinking of him as Inzil. But, because I call him Zil, that's what non-packmate!Elra would have first associated with ThePersonKnownAsInziladun - and what she would call her.

I have no idea if that makes any sense at all. To me, it sort of looks like my brain spewed onto the computer...but hey, we've got nothing else going on.

Decent reasoning, my dear, and the fact that you discount our being packmates based on meta-reasoning, instead of using that to build a case on either of us, might be a point in favour of your innocence. My point was that she does seem somewhat defensive, but I don't want a brand new player lynched on Day 1 just for that. As usual, however, newbie pass expires Day 2.

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

The Heir is going to cause a bit of havoc in this game. If we're exceptionally lucky the first special player to die will be the Hunter in taking down a wolf.

Indeed. With 13 players, seven of whom are either wolves or Gifteds (including the Heir), it's actually likely we'll hit a non-ordo toDay with the lynch. So the Heir could come into play very quickly.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by elronds_daughter

Well, Legate, it was honestly intended to be lighthearted. Nerwen seems to be taking it more seriously than originally planned.

Hm, actually now looking at it, it seems to me that it was Lommy who sort of first took it more seriously, before, it seems to me like just a random exchange between Nerwen and you. Then you continued in considering Lommy seriously and so on... anyway, my point was that I think the whole affair seems to be sort of "overrated", as it seemingly rose from just a joke, and not any serious accusation.

Originally Posted by Loslote

I have no idea if that makes any sense at all. To me, it sort of looks like my brain spewed onto the computer...but hey, we've got nothing else going on.

Better than silence, definitely.

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

The Heir is going to cause a bit of havoc in this game. If we're exceptionally lucky the first special player to die will be the Hunter in taking down a wolf.

Well, I think given the numbers, it won't probably take very long until somebody of the possible "target groups" dies. I don't think the Heir is going to cause "havoc", unless he/she remains "unused" until some really late Day (but then, again, that really can't happen, as at least some Gifted/Wolf would be dead by then for sure). Otherwise, it will be just either a helpful thing, or it will be like having four Wolves in the first place.

EDIT: x-ed with Zil

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Eomer

The Heir is going to cause a bit of havoc in this game. If we're exceptionally lucky the first special player to die will be the Hunter in taking down a wolf.

I was thinking the same and actually, we don't have to be really worried about lynching gifteds toDay, which is a blessing because on Day1 it's especially difficult to tell a jumpy gifted from a wolf.

Now this makes me actually think whether the hunter should come out and we should lynch him/her and s/he could have a shot at a wolf and we could have another hunter and thus get the advantage of having the heir on our side as the new hunter.

Let's see...
- if we lynch an ordo toDay, we lose an ordo
- if we lynch a wolf toDay, we also lose an ordo (since we lose the heir to the evil side)
- if we lynch a gifted toDay, we also lose an ordo (since we lose the heir in exchange for the gifted)

So in any case, we lose an ordo toDay. So is it all the same who we lynch?

No, there are minor differences:
- if we lynch an ordo, the heir's power is still unused and in case the wolves kill a gifted next Night, we only lose an ordo instead of a gifted.
- if we lynch a wolf, we can analyse their interactions with people and try to figure out who are the two other original wolves.
- if we lynch a gifted, we can make sure the heir advantage doesn't go to the wolves.

Which is the wisest course? I'm not sure, but it seems like we can't avoid disadvantages toDay, which kind of sucks. But I guess it's the same for the other side...? Maybe we should ignore the whole heir.

Unless it really makes sense to lynch the hunter. Shasta, what are the actual details of the hunter's role? Does s/he take also innocents with her/him if s/he dies during the Day?

'Cos if s/he doesn't, it's worth a shot lynching her/him toDay...


edit: xed with Inzil and Legate