WW: LXXXIV - Middle Earth in Fifteen Minutes

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Lommy

Or then she's just very cunning. Aiergh.

That one. I know you've no reason to believe me, but if you kill me, we lose. Simple as that. Legate and LRH are the wolves, I know that for sure (since I'm inclined to believe you, I can't see a wolf false-revealing right now when they have the oppurtunity to win toDay).

And I don't like that you've become totally convinced of my guilt. Your whole case is assuming that the wolves thought Greenie was a possible Hunter, maybe they had some strong reason to believe she was the Ranger, or a strong reason to believe that someone else was the Hunter (and therefore Greenie was not). You're making a big assumption, and it's taken you to the incorrect conclusion.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Wilwa

And I don't like that you've become totally convinced of my guilt. Your whole case is assuming that the wolves thought Greenie was a possible Hunter, maybe they had some strong reason to believe she was the Ranger, or a strong reason to believe that someone else was the Hunter (and therefore Greenie was not). You're making a big assumption, and it's taken you to the incorrect conclusion.

I'm simply thinking they would've been scared of the hunter. Can't disagree, can you?

I have to say I've actually surprised myself with my conviction of your guilt. BUT even apart from the Greenie kill theory you look the most guilty and I feel sorry to say this because you've played so well: but Legate and LRH don't really sound like fellows at all. Take all Legate's spotlighting of LRH and LRH saying to Legate that his suspicion of her makes her think him innocent... it's quite a stretch.

Also, if both LRH and Legate are guilty, it means Greenie hunted me or you last Night. That's possible, but I'd think it slightly unlikely given how she seemed to have "rational" points for our innocence, and if you're innocent it's quite difficult to fabricate rational reasons and not believe in them at all.

Anyhow - call this lommy-flip-flopping or whatever you will - I'm not 100% sure you're guilty. I think lynching you is the safest option we have. However, like I said, my opinion may change, depends on what you and Legate and LRH say before my bedtime. I know I kind of killed the situation by rushing to state my own opinions but I can't play in a more calculated manner even if it makes sense. Well at least now I can see who is the most eager to buddy me up.

[Nessa Telrunya]

Okay, I think, even though before I had suspicions, Lommy, it'd be ridiculous for a wolf to false-reveal at this point, when they've nearly won already. So, I do believe you.

I'm not sure, however, that I can believe Wilwa to be a wolf. She posted so seldom for the longest time, and that seems extremely strange behavior for a wolf...

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

I'm not sure, however, that I can believe Wilwa to be a wolf. She posted so seldom for the longest time, and that seems extremely strange behavior for a wolf...

Well, she has been busy, I think. That's explanation enough for me. Schedules often matter more than your role.

But I'm not going to brainwash you into voting anyone. If there's something I value toDay, it's your independent thinking because otherwise it's just me and my superhero complex. So tell me what you think, who looks the most suspicious, what looks like the most probable wolf combo etc and let's see if we get any wiser together. Most of all the two of us shouldn't vote hastily, because it's us who actually decide toDay (scary, eh?) because the unknown innocent can't vote wrong (good for them!) unless s/he decides to vote me or you.

I have a few points against each of LRH, Wilwa and Legate in store but I think I'll shut up for a while and let you others talk and think and observe. After all, I still have the essay too.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Great, so Lommy's revelation makes it all clear at least for me: obviously. The trouble we have is that each of the three of us is going to say the same. Whichever way it ends, though, I am glad that I was right about LRH. Her partnership with Wilwa makes quite a lot of sense when looking at it now.

Nessa and Lommy, in fact you are in the place to save the village, because if you lynch me, then we have lost. Basically, it does not make much of a difference from my pov whichever you lynch, wilwa or LRH, simply don't lynch ME.

That said, I am afraid that we won't be able to get much further from here. I guess we can try to make some arguments and try to see why they are Wolves, but ultimately, this is just what it comes down to.

EDIT: x-ed with Lommy and Nessa

[Nessa Telrunya]

I am really suspicious of the Inzil-Hubby conversation on Day 1... It's something to start with right? Trace the other wolves from the one we know. And she's been chipping in at just the right moments to tip the Votes.

[elronds_daughter]

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

I am really suspicious of the Inzil-Hubby conversation on Day 1... It's something to start with right? Trace the other wolves from the one we know. And she's been chipping in at just the right moments to tip the Votes.

Completely coincidental, I assure you.


Right. Well. I stand firm in my belief that the wolves are Wilwa and Legate.

I have a feeling those two will vote for me. At this point, I'm the only other unknown.

They've already been through the "By the gods, I don't care who you kill, just don't lynch ME" routine, so that's old, so I won't bother with it.

All I ask is that you, Nessa and Lommy, think carefully about who you're sending to the noose.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I have looked once again at the thread, now when I look at it retrospectively, all of the things stand out in a completely different light.

LRH indeed acted many times in the manner of the sort of basic Wolf, or newbie-Wolf attitude. Her Day 1 "of course now everybody is suspecting me, just because of a little bit of self-preservational instinct" was probably a genuine Wolvish fear, likewise, she seemed to me like using the tactic of "buttering up" players from time to time - I even believe that her yesterDay words that because I suspect her, she thinks I am innocent might have been something like that - I mean, that's a thing you might suppose to throw many innocents off-balance if they are suspecting you. Her way of e.g. suspecting me and Lommy early on was made in the sort of classic "I am suspecting them, but of course I might be wrong" way, to make herself an escape route, if need be. And the Inzil-debate was just the last thing.

Wilwa, on the other hand, was all the time generally subtle, I would say that she was basically avoiding making her own decisions. Her posts early on contain basically no real content, that way, she managed to slip past by and "fly under the radar". Her vote on Day 1 was random, her vote for Lottie was merely one in the crowd, with Inzil, she probably planned to cover herself with a Wolf-on-Wolf vote. Last Day she did not vote at all. She did not make much of a contact with anybody, not really any direct links, except for mentioning the Lommy and Boro business, which however was sort of "in course" back then. I am sure it was all just calculated. Basically, she is the sort of elusive type of Wolf, leaving no direct trace.

That's sort of to do justice to everything - you can see for yourselves.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, is anybody around?

The time is getting late for me. I am going to remain around for some amount of time still, but I need to go to sleep too. Lommy, Nessa, if you are debating between Wilwa and Hubby, simply choose one of them which you think is likely, but make sure you choose the same one. I can follow your vote, just as long as it is one of them. Then we can hopefully lynch the other one the following Day. But simply make sure that it is one of them, or we are finished already now.

[Thinlómien]

Nessa,

I'm currently thinking our wolves are Wilwa (wasn't her post exactly like a wolf's that has given up?) and probably Legate. There is something that rings false in his manner (but ok I admit I suspect him everytime he takes that tone and sometimes he's innocent). Not exactly sure what to make of Elra's "And I'm inclined to think Wilwa's a wolf. Probably Legate too, if you are who you say you are. (If you aren't, shame on me, but it seems an elaborate lie for this late in the game. So, I think you're being truthsome.)" (emphasis mine). It just seems weird. However, her tone rings the most innocent in total to me. Like I said, Wilwa is giving up too easily and sounds like a cornered wolf (is not contributing etc) and Legate on the other hand seems kind of too quick to assure we're on the same team with him. Elra seems the most honest.

I'm not sure at all about Legate being a wolf, but I'm pretty sure Wilwa is one. That's why I'd feel by far the safest to lynch her and will vote her unless you absolutely forbid me to. I'd love to check the three's interactions with each other and Zil, but it's 3am here and I still have an essay to finish, so honestly I'm not sure if I can.

Do you have any specific thoughts? Anything new?

[Nessa Telrunya]

I suppose, if either Hubby or Leggy were a wolf, wilwa would be a logical packmate for either. We should go for whoever has the most possibility, and everyone needs to vote together to be effective.