WW: LXXXV - The Lost Philosophers of Maiar

[skip spence]

Happy New Vailan Year to all of you!

Now mortality, that's something new and frightening. But even if the wicked Melkor was behind this as he claims, is he not also a mind-seed of the almighty and all-good Illuvatar, as we are also? And could not Melkor's deeds, evil though they may seem, be used as an instrument for the greater good by the One?

For the mortal beings must now fear the extermination of their being in Arda and that, my breathren, may be a gift for us shepherds of new life. For isn't the fear of seizing to exist among the coming mortal inhabitants of Arda a wonderful incitement for them to do what is right, to keep the peace, to acknowledge authority, to stay obedient to the One and his lieutenants? And isn't this "death" therefore a wonderful instrument for us shepherds to help and control the new mortal inhabitants? I think so.

But that this fate should be shared by us here who are of the Ainur, Arda's prime guardians and creators, we who were here before the physical world itself, is truly a horrific and blasphemous crime by Melkor the abhorred! Curse him until the end should it be true!

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So, it's Day one and there will be little to go on as usual. I think Boro's got a point about the wolves trying to stay moderately quiet early on and my initial thought is to vote for one of the quiet players toDay. Then again, if that idea becomes commonly accepted, the wolves can easily escape by making some noice. Hm.

I do feel that we should have a mind to spread out the votes toDay though (unless there's an obvious reason not to). Last game I played, where Shasta-seer was lynched with a Day 1 bandwagon, was an experience I'd rather not have repeated. More can be learned if the voting is reasonably close, I think.

Originally Posted by Pitch

On the other hand, I see our Mod has seen fit to grant the cobbler a means to send secret messages to the wolves, so I don't know how much 'open' hinting we're going to see on the thread. Still worth keeping an eye open, to be sure.

It sure is. The added ability to send a message to the wolves will probably make the cobbler increasingly dangerous as the game progresses since it could make it easier for the wolves and the cobbler to identify each other by methods of elimination.

I should be in touch now for the next hours. My participation tomorrow will probably be more limited.

[Cailín]

I feel kind of horrid having to vote for someone with nothing to go on. Most people have not even had a chance to speak.

As always, I like everything Boromir88 says, but he has fooled me before (and again, and again).

Pitchwife seems to have a response for everyone. This is polite behaviour and for now I approve.

I also feel obliged to say something about Eomer of the Rohirrim even though he has not posted yet. Will be watching him closely and warily, I assure you.

No one has said anything controversial or unexpected. How dull.

My vote goes to

(where is the plus sign on this bewildering keyboard?)

++ Aganzir

Because I know she can take it and I owe her one anyway.

If I am killed in my absence, please avenge my death.

Got to fly!

[satansaloser2005]

Skip and Pitch make me nervous. I'm not yet sure why.

When is deadline for toDay? In an hour or so?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Skip and Pitch make me nervous. I'm not yet sure why.

When is deadline for toDay? In an hour or so?

I thought Day 1 was 36 hours long, which would put DL in 13 hours.

Also, Cailín's vote isn't all that great, but it doesn't look particularly wolfy to me. I don't really see a wolf voting that way. I've never played with her, though, so I don't know what a Wolín looks like.

[satansaloser2005]

A pox on that double post. Anyway, thanks, Pop. In that case, I'll wait to do stuff until this evening. If I don't vote, blame Lottie.

*shuffles away*

[Pitchwife]

Actually, toDay startet at 10AM GMT, didn't it, so with a 36 hours Day, DL should be at 10PM GMT tomorrow evening, if I can count right. So we've got plenty of time left.
And yet there's already a vote! To me, that looks like Cailín maybe wasn't quite sure about the DL either and wanted to get a vote in just in case she couldn't come back later - so not dreadfully wolvish. (Plus, I agree that it can't harm to lynch Agan just to be on the safe side!)

I don't quite know what to make of Ozzy. I surely agree with his philosophy, but apart from that, his first post was a little, hm, lazy. OK, there's little else to do beyond stating the obvious early on Day One, but if everybody just shuts up we'll never get to discussing non-obvious things, so that's not really helping.

skip's philosophy I strongly disagree with (what, mortality is OK for the sheep but it's blasphemy to inflict it on the shepherds? Arrogance!), but he sounds reasonable enough and has a point about spreading the votes - which is very probably going to happen anyway in a village as large and diverse as hours. (Don't remind me of that Shastawagon!*shudder*)

[Rikae]

Pitchwife is making me uneasy.

[Valier]

woah!!! Ok so the start time was not what I was expecting...D1 started at 4am for me. I thought that it would be starting today at 4pm my time (CST) so does this day end at 4am tonight (CST) my time? And does it continue with day starts and ends at 4am? (my time CST) Because that would definately suck!! Ok well I've had a quick skim over the posts and should be in and out today...

So far...hmm noone really stands out to me..Boro seems a little too reasonable maybe?... also I noticed this

Originally Posted by Aganzir

And as Lommy said the sooner we get a wolf, the better. If the seer dreams of one at an early stage (ie before we've lynched any), she should probably consider if it's worth coming out and getting rid of the double kills.

I noticed you said she..... any reasons?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Valier

woah!!! Ok so the start time was not what I was expecting...D1 started at 4am for me. I thought that it would be starting today at 4pm my time (CST) so does this day end at 4am tonight (CST) my time? And does it continue with day starts and ends at 4am? (my time CST) Because that would definately suck!! Ok well I've had a quick skim over the posts and should be in and out today...

No, it should end at 4pm your time, I think.

also I noticed this I noticed you said she..... any reasons?

Agan calls certain roles 'she' habitually - the one that comes to mind is the cobbler. I haven't noticed her calling the seer 'she' before, but it seems like an Aganish sort of thing to do.

[Nessa Telrunya]

The time is now... Whatever time it currently is!

Whew, there's a nice little intro. And hopefully, as town crier, I can shed light on the situation in the same manner as my brother tradesmen. Day1 is always confusing, so I suppose I'll do some statistics.

We have 19 villagers now,a cobbler, and four wolves. That means our percentage of catching a wolf is about 16%, and their percentage of a gifted toNight would be about 12, with a 4% chance of also catching their own cobbler.

So now we are at 19-5, if we count the cobbler with the wolves. If we kill a villager, it is 18-5, and 19-4 if we kill the cobbler or a wolf. But if we kill a wolf, after toNight's kills we'll be at 18-4 toMorrow, instead of 17-4. If we kill a villager, we'll be at 16-5 toMorrow. No good there.

Whew, I love math.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Pitchwife is making me uneasy.

Care to explain? (Sally too, who seems to be sharing your feelings.)

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Care to explain? (Sally too, who seems to be sharing your feelings.)

Nope, not at the moment. And no, I'm afraid I never could explain Sally.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Care to explain? (Sally too, who seems to be sharing your feelings.)

Option 1: Pitch is being jumpy.
Option 2: Pitch is genuinely curious about being suspected by a couple of people on day 1.

The passive-aggressive phrasing makes me inclined towards option 1.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Pitchwife is making me uneasy.

Who are you and what have you done with our beloved over-verbose Rikae?

X'd since the post I quoted, as I've not refreshed in....quite a while, actually

[Nogrod]

I thought I wrote the beginning and th ending times of D1 into like ten places + added the reminder that D1 lasts 36 hours like as many times...

Well it seems you can never give out too much info...



So this Day1 lasts for 36 hours.

It began on 10AM GMT/UTC (5AM EST)

and will end on 10PM GMT/UTC (5PM EST) tomorrow.


So you have 22 hours left of the Day.

22 hours and fifteen minutes left to be more exact.


ADD: Valier & Lottie: there seems to be also a "one hour" miss in your calculations (or then I have given you faulty information). But that is easily checked. Look at my post that starts this ongoing D1 (post #4) and see the time stamp on the top left corner. The hour that post was sent is the deadline hour. The only change is that as the D1 is exceptionally 36 hours long, the deadline for D1 is not that X AM as it reads in your screen but the same X PM tomorrow. Like I said above; about 22 hours from now.

[skip spence]

For such a large village it's eerily quiet, isn't it?

Backtracking a bit since there's precious little new.

Originally Posted by Agan

And as Lommy said the sooner we get a wolf, the better. If the seer dreams of one at an early stage (ie before we've lynched any), she should probably consider if it's worth coming out and getting rid of the double kills.

Originally Posted by Pitch

Yep, the double Night-Kill sucks for us, and getting rid of it is imperative. I'm not sure if I'd like to risk the Seer for it - as long as the Ranger is still alive, maybe it's worth it. But it's not like an open Seer reveal is the only way to catch a wolf, so we should all do our best and not rely on the Seer to risk their neck for us.

I'd agree with Pitch here. The Seer is our strongest piece, our Queen, and should not be sacrificed lightly. It's up to the Seer to decide what to do if he/she catches a wolf or already has done so, but if it were me, I'd wait with the open reveal unless I faced the gallows. The Seer must however be very careful to not leave any false trails should he/she happen to get killed. If we lose the Seer and the trail points to an innocent, we're in big trouble.

Need to sleep soon. I probably won't return until close to the DL.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Who are you and what have you done with our beloved over-verbose Rikae?

Something like this:
IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL

I can't make it out... must be some kind of code or something. If only I had the time, but alas, that's just what we don't have, isn't it? A few millennia just isn't enough.

And Mackie-Pie, I haven't voted yet. And could you take these glasses into the kitchen for me? While you're there, check whether those pastries - er, players - in the oven are done...

[Inziladun]

Melkor, thou art not the King of Arda, and this is not thy realm. Manwë (the Vala, not the player ), shall not forsake us, and under the dominion of the One, those faithful to him shall yet triumph.

In other news, as soon as I have a moment to actually look at what people have said, I'll be back with more.

x/d with Rikae