Middle-earth Misdemeanors

[LadyBrooke]

Just off the top of my head.

Fake IDs / Identity Theft: Besides Aragorn, Eowyn, and Gandalf, There are: Finrod, Beren, and accomplices; Luthien; and Sauron.

Theft: Anybody who had a silmaril after Morgoth stole it who wasn't a son of Feanor. The fact that they stole it from the thief does not mean that they themselves did not commit theft.

Obscuration of Justice: Anybody who was questioned about why the Noldor had fled Valinor and left out the bit about kinslaying. Anybody who tried to keep the Silmarils from their rightful owners (including the Valar. They had no right to make it so the sons of Feanor could not touch the silmarils. Gandalf when he encouraged Pippin to not answer Denethor's questions.

[Blind Guardian]

Originally Posted by LadyBrooke

(including the Valar. They had no right to make it so the sons of Feanor could not touch the silmarils. .

The Vala only hallowed the Silmarillions. No one evil could touch them, Melkor included. What Maedhros and Maglor had done [attacking Thingol's kingdom] was evil, thus they couldn't touch them.

[LadyBrooke]

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

The Vala only hallowed the Silmarillions. No one evil could touch them, Melkor included. What Maedhros and Maglor had done [attacking Thingol's kingdom] was evil, thus they couldn't touch them.

What right did the Valar have to hallow the Silmarils. They weren't the property of any of the Valar which is why they couldn't just take the Silmarils from Feanor to fix the trees. What use was hallowing them anyways? Morgoth still managed to keep them.

I tend to have problems viewing it as that evil. Dior had stolen property -a Silmaril - in his possession and refused to get it back. Let's say that the Mona Lisa gets stolen from the Louvre and then the Prime Minister of some country takes it from the thieves and then refuses to give it back to France. Would anybody blame France for going to war? No, because it's stolen property and it was a national treasure. The Silmarils were one of the Noldor's greatest treasures. So why is it evil for them to want their property back?

Why are the Feanorians judged to be more evil then the rest of the Noldor? Fingon participated in the first kinslaying but he's seldom viewed as evil. And really the first kinslaying is the only one I can view as evil. The second and third were prompted by Dior and Elwing refusing to give the Feanorians their rightful property.

That doesn't mean that it was right for them to kill women and children but if Dior and Elwing hadn't of kept stolen property in the first place it wouldn't have occurred.

[Blind Guardian]

In getting the Silmarils back they did evil deads. The Vala could not have foreseen Feanor loosing the Silmarils. That they killed was why they couldn't touch them.

[LadyBrooke]

But who decides what is evil? To me, Elwing's actions are just as bad as the Feanorians. She chose to abandon her children to what would have been their death if it wasn't for 'evil' Matimo and Maglor. To my mind there is little difference between somebody who kills children and somebody who abandons two children to die at the hand of said killers so that they can keep a jewel that doesn't even belong to them.

[Evisse the Blue]

Boromir - noise pollution (when he blows his horn when starting from Rivendell (everyone around reacts too!)
Gollum - Illegal hunting in Ithilien
Sam has to be added to the list of criminals assaulting an endangered species - Shelob. It is even said she was the last and greatest of her kind!
Thingol and a host of other Elves - racist remarks.

[Galadriel55]

Dwarves - for creating a coded language that no one else understands - conspiracy!
Thrain - for carving out the poor Mountain's heart.