WW LXXXVIII: What Lies in the Dark (Game Thread) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Loslote · 05-09-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

Lottie: I was a little mollified by the way she responding to my pushing back at her yesterDay. However, her single-minded insistence on wanting to lynch me (because I tend to be a rather easy lynch) has me worried she could be a spiderling doing the grunt work for Shelob.

You've played with me before, Zil. It hasn't been that long. Surely you remember that I've been stubbornly insistent when I think I'm right in pretty much every game of WW I've ever played? This reason for suspecting me is not your strongest ever, to put it lightly.

Inziladun · 05-09-2011, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Loslote

You've played with me before, Zil. It hasn't been that long. Surely you remember that I've been stubbornly insistent when I think I'm right in pretty much every game of WW I've ever played? This reason for suspecting me is not your strongest ever, to put it lightly.

All I'm going to say is that you're either evil, or just plain wrong.

Nogrod · 05-09-2011, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lhuna

But the problem with that is Shelob could also do that, and we have no way of knowing for certain if the pushing person is Shelob or the Doctor until xe is lynched.

Oh, right. Numbers game. But it's still possible.

Possible, although I would think it more likely the one faking it would be a spiderling as the risk is too big... I mean the fact is, that the Doc - if he "pushes" - will deliver us a baddie and a faker will not (I don't think they can afford to sacrifice one of them as there is no unambiguous "X is innocent" proof involved and the real Doc would still remain to "push" even more).

Let's check the scenarios.

Doc has a stinged and pushes for her/his lynch. The baddies will not make contesting pushes. We lynch a baddie.

Doc has stinged and pushes, but Shelob or a spiderling makes rival insistence on someone else. We lynch one of the "pushed ones". If that person is a baddie we have dealt a huge blow to Shelob and at the best scenario she has no spiderling any more (with luck Sam could heal the one stinged last Night and Shelob would be back to square one). If that person we lynch is a non-stinged person, we know that the one pushing her/him is a baddie and we lynch her/him toMorrow and Shelob is one down.

If Doc has none known stinged he will not push. If someone pushes someone else and we lynch an innocent because of that we know the one pushing was a baddie and we lynch her/him the next Day.

What do you say?

satansaloser2005 · 05-09-2011, 12:56 PM

Doctor. The. Doct. Tor.

Erm, I mean it's two hours 'til DL.

Votes:

Lhuna-->Lottie

Nogrod · 05-09-2011, 01:06 PM

A short add-on to the previous speculation.

If I understand the rules correctly, Doc only knows whether someone is stinged or not, but not when it has happened. Now it might be that the one he has discovered was only stinged last Night and could still be healed by Sam. But. It is not clear Sam will hit it right, and having a chance to lynch one who is either already a spiderling (Shelob team = minus one) makes a difference as even in the other case we'd be lynching someone who could be a spiderling the next Day (Shelob team = minus one again). So this would be, I think, the best scenario we could play for.

If there is no one pushing for anyone, then of course we need to try the more traditional ways to find the baddies. (Which we should do anyway as we can't rely on that scheme to work - if for instance Doc disapproves of it, or will not attend any more toDay, or whatever reason it might backfire)

the phantom · 05-09-2011, 01:00 PM

If Fea's faking about having different rules and instructions, then.... um... she is. But I'm just going to dismiss that possibility as frankly it just makes things entirely not fun.

I already said earlier that Phantom, Wilwa, Lottie, and Lhuna were off the table so far as I'm concerned.

So- that leaves Nerwen, Inzil, Shasta, and Nog.

A question for you, Inzil. How Phantom-centric are you in general when you play with me?

And now- a list of voting. Does it mean anything to anyone?

DAY 1 VOTING
Wilwa ++ Glirdan
Lhuna ++ Lottie
Inzil ++ Boro
Bom ++ Lhuna
Shasta ++ Nog
Boro ++ Glirdy (2)
TP ++ Glirdy (3)
Nog ++ Glirdy (4)

DAY 2 VOTING
Nerwen ++ TP
Bom ++ Lottie
Lhuna ++ Bom
Lottie ++ Zil
Fea ++ TP (2)
Boro ++ Lhuna
Inzil ++ Bom (2)
Nog ++ Bom (3)
Wilwa ++ Lhuna (2)
TP ++ Bom (4)

If Shasta is Shelob then it's unlikely he chose Lottie or Lhuna for his first sting.

If Inzil is Shelob then it's unlikely he chose Lottie for his first sting.

Other than that I can't say much. Everyone's been less active than usual (or at least it seems that way). I mean- we only have two votes to go off of and Shasta and Nerwen both missed one, so there's half of the evidence gone right there.

Inziladun · 05-09-2011, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

A question for you, Inzil. How Phantom-centric are you in general when you play with me?

If I understand you correctly, I don't tend to all that "Phantom-centric, as a rule. It's an illness one has to battle.

I'm really out of time here. Duty calls, and all that.

++Lottie

I could certainly be wrong, but that's the best bet at the moment, I think. Since I want to trust Lhuna, this is made a little easier.

Shastanis Althreduin · 05-09-2011, 01:15 PM

I'm pretty good about being here the last two hours of the day (yesterDay I dealt with graduation, remember, and then Mother's Day), but honestly I don't really see how we can catch Shelob other than by trial and error - she's exactly like a werebear in that all she has to do is survive, because her spiderlings, while nice to have around, are easily expendable. We haven't even lynched a spiderling yet, which would at least tell us something. And with Boro dropping out... how do your numbers change, Phantom?

Nogrod · 05-09-2011, 01:22 PM

My quick thoughts, before trying to do some digging back to the thread to search for the baddies.

I'm not going to vote for...

Lhuna - Whether she was stinged on N1 or not, Sam most probably used his healing powers on her the next Day. So unless Shelob is a great risk-taker, she should be innocent now (I mean if I were Sam I would have both healed and protected Lhuna last Night to be sure I could trust her toDay).

tp - I think he is much more use to the village alive than as dead. If he is not Shelob (which I doubt she is), then he should be cunning enough to let us know if he has been stinged without revealing it outright against the rules and let Sam save him so as to nullify Shelob's efforts (sorry I said this out aloud, but I think people should think also this before they wish to lynch you).

wilwa - After some thinking and rethinking I think I trust her more than many others. And I also think there is no problem saying that aloud.

Shastanis Althreduin · 05-09-2011, 01:35 PM

Couldn't anyone (including Lhuna) already be a spiderling, though? Unless I'm reading the days wrong? In which case.... yeah.

satansaloser2005 · 05-09-2011, 01:50 PM

Boro was tending to business, feeling everyone for fangs or furry limbs like the rest of the group. It was unclear whether he was trying to diagnose the bitten, aid his brother or sister spiderling(s), or just using it as an excuse to touch Fea. Whatever his reasoning, he was feeling his way along the wall when suddenly he heard, plain as Day, a voice in his head. He couldn’t ignore the call. It was too strong. He had to leave, even if it meant leaving his comrade(s) to fight their battle alone.

And suddenly, without any warning, Boro vanished without a trace.

Gone
Glirdan (ordo, lynched on Day 1)
Nienna (ordo, withdrawn on Day 1-ish)
Bom Stealth Yellowboots (ordo, lynched on Day 2)
Boro (withdraw, called home on Day 3)
It could be you (lynched on Day 3)

Sorry for the delay. The narration was on my laptop and I didn't have a chance to hook up my phone until now. A little over an hour until DL.

the phantom · 05-09-2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasta

And with Boro dropping out... how do your numbers change, Phantom?

(Shelob-Spiderlings-BeenStung-Innocent)

Without Boro, we're possibly here-
1-1-1-5
But it's also possible we're here-
1-1-0-6

Obviously we'd prefer that Boro was Been-Stung, but no guarantee. It's entirely possible that a missed lynch today leads to-
1-2-1-3
Which would put us in a situation where we would have to bandwagon perfectly for the win, and given who is left it seems to me that such a thing would be very difficult to work out.

Nogrod · 05-09-2011, 02:00 PM

On a positive note I realised scrolling through the thread that Sally actually informs us in the end notifications / narrations that X was an "uninfected ordo". So one could gather from that that if we lynch an incubating ordo we'd know that too.

Another thing that struck me and made me back off a bit from what I said earlier was that Sally redefined the rules of the Doc. Then I remembered that there were people saying that tp's Sam scheme was a try to oust the Doc. I don't quite recall the logic of it (needs to go back to it - but if someone remembers what it was about, please come forwards with it and save me from a full scroll of the thread). Now something bothers me here with this "coincidence", but I'm not sure which way it goes. Are those accusing tp having an evil agenda or is tp having one?

Hey Sally, that is not fair!

Do you wish to imply Boro was not an ordo? ANd I started this post saying it is a good thing you keep us up to the track...

satansaloser2005 · 05-09-2011, 02:17 PM

Because she's Mummy's princess (and because she'd behave like that anyway).

Nog: I revealed Nienna's role immediately because she hadn't even entered the game. Boro, however, has been playing and is a different case. And I'm not implying anything about his role in the narration (which was why I mentioned him just wanting to feel up Fea).

I've decided to reveal his role at the end of the Day, because with such a small village it would be difficult to find anything out with very many variables. His role will not, however, be revealed until toNight. You have to finish out the Day without the knowledge of his role, as you would have if he was still playing,

Dropouts are strange and unfortunate. I wish everyone's lives were perfect and allowed for infinite Werewolf games.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 05-09-2011, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

If Fea's faking about having different rules and instructions, then.... um... she is. But I'm just going to dismiss that possibility as frankly it just makes things entirely not fun.

No no no, I don't have a different set of rules. I am simply behaving in a manner that doesn't require following rules. I've always said that laws were created to ensure the safety and behavior of the lowest common denominator of humanity. As I am not that, I need not follow rules. But I have no true official sanction to run my own set of rules and instructions.

It is merely that when Mistress Moddess asked me to play, I said I'd only do it if I didn't have to put forth any form of traditional effort, but could, if so inclined, cause headaches for all.

It's not a different set of instructions, it's just a very naughty child with an indulgent mama.

05-09-2011, 12:56 PM	#4
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Doctor. The. Doct. Tor. Erm, I mean it's two hours 'til DL. Votes: Lhuna-->Lottie __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

05-09-2011, 01:06 PM	#5
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	A short add-on to the previous speculation. If I understand the rules correctly, Doc only knows whether someone is stinged or not, but not when it has happened. Now it might be that the one he has discovered was only stinged last Night and could still be healed by Sam. But. It is not clear Sam will hit it right, and having a chance to lynch one who is either already a spiderling (Shelob team = minus one) makes a difference as even in the other case we'd be lynching someone who could be a spiderling the next Day (Shelob team = minus one again). So this would be, I think, the best scenario we could play for. If there is no one pushing for anyone, then of course we need to try the more traditional ways to find the baddies. (Which we should do anyway as we can't rely on that scheme to work - if for instance Doc disapproves of it, or will not attend any more toDay, or whatever reason it might backfire) __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

05-09-2011, 01:00 PM	#6
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	If Fea's faking about having different rules and instructions, then.... um... she is. But I'm just going to dismiss that possibility as frankly it just makes things entirely not fun. I already said earlier that Phantom, Wilwa, Lottie, and Lhuna were off the table so far as I'm concerned. So- that leaves Nerwen, Inzil, Shasta, and Nog. A question for you, Inzil. How Phantom-centric are you in general when you play with me? And now- a list of voting. Does it mean anything to anyone? DAY 1 VOTING Wilwa ++ Glirdan Lhuna ++ Lottie Inzil ++ Boro Bom ++ Lhuna Shasta ++ Nog Boro ++ Glirdy (2) TP ++ Glirdy (3) Nog ++ Glirdy (4) DAY 2 VOTING Nerwen ++ TP Bom ++ Lottie Lhuna ++ Bom Lottie ++ Zil Fea ++ TP (2) Boro ++ Lhuna Inzil ++ Bom (2) Nog ++ Bom (3) Wilwa ++ Lhuna (2) TP ++ Bom (4) If Shasta is Shelob then it's unlikely he chose Lottie or Lhuna for his first sting. If Inzil is Shelob then it's unlikely he chose Lottie for his first sting. Other than that I can't say much. Everyone's been less active than usual (or at least it seems that way). I mean- we only have two votes to go off of and Shasta and Nerwen both missed one, so there's half of the evidence gone right there. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

05-09-2011, 01:15 PM	#8
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	I'm pretty good about being here the last two hours of the day (yesterDay I dealt with graduation, remember, and then Mother's Day), but honestly I don't really see how we can catch Shelob other than by trial and error - she's exactly like a werebear in that all she has to do is survive, because her spiderlings, while nice to have around, are easily expendable. We haven't even lynched a spiderling yet, which would at least tell us something. And with Boro dropping out... how do your numbers change, Phantom? __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

05-09-2011, 01:22 PM	#9
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	My quick thoughts, before trying to do some digging back to the thread to search for the baddies. I'm not going to vote for... Lhuna - Whether she was stinged on N1 or not, Sam most probably used his healing powers on her the next Day. So unless Shelob is a great risk-taker, she should be innocent now (I mean if I were Sam I would have both healed and protected Lhuna last Night to be sure I could trust her toDay). tp - I think he is much more use to the village alive than as dead. If he is not Shelob (which I doubt she is), then he should be cunning enough to let us know if he has been stinged without revealing it outright against the rules and let Sam save him so as to nullify Shelob's efforts (sorry I said this out aloud, but I think people should think also this before they wish to lynch you). wilwa - After some thinking and rethinking I think I trust her more than many others. And I also think there is no problem saying that aloud. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

05-09-2011, 01:35 PM	#10
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	Couldn't anyone (including Lhuna) already be a spiderling, though? Unless I'm reading the days wrong? In which case.... yeah. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

05-09-2011, 01:50 PM	#11
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Boro was tending to business, feeling everyone for fangs or furry limbs like the rest of the group. It was unclear whether he was trying to diagnose the bitten, aid his brother or sister spiderling(s), or just using it as an excuse to touch Fea. Whatever his reasoning, he was feeling his way along the wall when suddenly he heard, plain as Day, a voice in his head. He couldn’t ignore the call. It was too strong. He had to leave, even if it meant leaving his comrade(s) to fight their battle alone. And suddenly, without any warning, Boro vanished without a trace. Gone Glirdan (ordo, lynched on Day 1) Nienna (ordo, withdrawn on Day 1-ish) Bom Stealth Yellowboots (ordo, lynched on Day 2) Boro (withdraw, called home on Day 3) It could be you (lynched on Day 3) Sorry for the delay. The narration was on my laptop and I didn't have a chance to hook up my phone until now. A little over an hour until DL. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

05-09-2011, 02:00 PM	#13
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	On a positive note I realised scrolling through the thread that Sally actually informs us in the end notifications / narrations that X was an "uninfected ordo". So one could gather from that that if we lynch an incubating ordo we'd know that too. Another thing that struck me and made me back off a bit from what I said earlier was that Sally redefined the rules of the Doc. Then I remembered that there were people saying that tp's Sam scheme was a try to oust the Doc. I don't quite recall the logic of it (needs to go back to it - but if someone remembers what it was about, please come forwards with it and save me from a full scroll of the thread). Now something bothers me here with this "coincidence", but I'm not sure which way it goes. Are those accusing tp having an evil agenda or is tp having one? Hey Sally, that is not fair! Do you wish to imply Boro was not an ordo? ANd I started this post saying it is a good thing you keep us up to the track... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

05-09-2011, 02:17 PM	#14
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Because she's Mummy's princess (and because she'd behave like that anyway). Nog: I revealed Nienna's role immediately because she hadn't even entered the game. Boro, however, has been playing and is a different case. And I'm not implying anything about his role in the narration (which was why I mentioned him just wanting to feel up Fea). I've decided to reveal his role at the end of the Day, because with such a small village it would be difficult to find anything out with very many variables. His role will not, however, be revealed until toNight. You have to finish out the Day without the knowledge of his role, as you would have if he was still playing, Dropouts are strange and unfortunate. I wish everyone's lives were perfect and allowed for infinite Werewolf games. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.