WW LXXXVIII: What Lies in the Dark (Game Thread) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

the phantom · 05-09-2011, 01:00 PM

If Fea's faking about having different rules and instructions, then.... um... she is. But I'm just going to dismiss that possibility as frankly it just makes things entirely not fun.

I already said earlier that Phantom, Wilwa, Lottie, and Lhuna were off the table so far as I'm concerned.

So- that leaves Nerwen, Inzil, Shasta, and Nog.

A question for you, Inzil. How Phantom-centric are you in general when you play with me?

And now- a list of voting. Does it mean anything to anyone?

DAY 1 VOTING
Wilwa ++ Glirdan
Lhuna ++ Lottie
Inzil ++ Boro
Bom ++ Lhuna
Shasta ++ Nog
Boro ++ Glirdy (2)
TP ++ Glirdy (3)
Nog ++ Glirdy (4)

DAY 2 VOTING
Nerwen ++ TP
Bom ++ Lottie
Lhuna ++ Bom
Lottie ++ Zil
Fea ++ TP (2)
Boro ++ Lhuna
Inzil ++ Bom (2)
Nog ++ Bom (3)
Wilwa ++ Lhuna (2)
TP ++ Bom (4)

If Shasta is Shelob then it's unlikely he chose Lottie or Lhuna for his first sting.

If Inzil is Shelob then it's unlikely he chose Lottie for his first sting.

Other than that I can't say much. Everyone's been less active than usual (or at least it seems that way). I mean- we only have two votes to go off of and Shasta and Nerwen both missed one, so there's half of the evidence gone right there.

Inziladun · 05-09-2011, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the phantom

A question for you, Inzil. How Phantom-centric are you in general when you play with me?

If I understand you correctly, I don't tend to all that "Phantom-centric, as a rule. It's an illness one has to battle.

I'm really out of time here. Duty calls, and all that.

++Lottie

I could certainly be wrong, but that's the best bet at the moment, I think. Since I want to trust Lhuna, this is made a little easier.

Shastanis Althreduin · 05-09-2011, 01:15 PM

I'm pretty good about being here the last two hours of the day (yesterDay I dealt with graduation, remember, and then Mother's Day), but honestly I don't really see how we can catch Shelob other than by trial and error - she's exactly like a werebear in that all she has to do is survive, because her spiderlings, while nice to have around, are easily expendable. We haven't even lynched a spiderling yet, which would at least tell us something. And with Boro dropping out... how do your numbers change, Phantom?

Nogrod · 05-09-2011, 01:22 PM

My quick thoughts, before trying to do some digging back to the thread to search for the baddies.

I'm not going to vote for...

Lhuna - Whether she was stinged on N1 or not, Sam most probably used his healing powers on her the next Day. So unless Shelob is a great risk-taker, she should be innocent now (I mean if I were Sam I would have both healed and protected Lhuna last Night to be sure I could trust her toDay).

tp - I think he is much more use to the village alive than as dead. If he is not Shelob (which I doubt she is), then he should be cunning enough to let us know if he has been stinged without revealing it outright against the rules and let Sam save him so as to nullify Shelob's efforts (sorry I said this out aloud, but I think people should think also this before they wish to lynch you).

wilwa - After some thinking and rethinking I think I trust her more than many others. And I also think there is no problem saying that aloud.

Shastanis Althreduin · 05-09-2011, 01:35 PM

Couldn't anyone (including Lhuna) already be a spiderling, though? Unless I'm reading the days wrong? In which case.... yeah.

satansaloser2005 · 05-09-2011, 01:50 PM

Boro was tending to business, feeling everyone for fangs or furry limbs like the rest of the group. It was unclear whether he was trying to diagnose the bitten, aid his brother or sister spiderling(s), or just using it as an excuse to touch Fea. Whatever his reasoning, he was feeling his way along the wall when suddenly he heard, plain as Day, a voice in his head. He couldn’t ignore the call. It was too strong. He had to leave, even if it meant leaving his comrade(s) to fight their battle alone.

And suddenly, without any warning, Boro vanished without a trace.

Gone
Glirdan (ordo, lynched on Day 1)
Nienna (ordo, withdrawn on Day 1-ish)
Bom Stealth Yellowboots (ordo, lynched on Day 2)
Boro (withdraw, called home on Day 3)
It could be you (lynched on Day 3)

Sorry for the delay. The narration was on my laptop and I didn't have a chance to hook up my phone until now. A little over an hour until DL.

the phantom · 05-09-2011, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shasta

And with Boro dropping out... how do your numbers change, Phantom?

(Shelob-Spiderlings-BeenStung-Innocent)

Without Boro, we're possibly here-
1-1-1-5
But it's also possible we're here-
1-1-0-6

Obviously we'd prefer that Boro was Been-Stung, but no guarantee. It's entirely possible that a missed lynch today leads to-
1-2-1-3
Which would put us in a situation where we would have to bandwagon perfectly for the win, and given who is left it seems to me that such a thing would be very difficult to work out.

Nogrod · 05-09-2011, 02:34 PM

Scrolling down the few last pages I found these...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

1. Phantom's Sam scheme.
The ostensible reason was so we could be sure ifLhuna had been Sam's cure-target. All right. What strikes me about this scheme is that it was more-or-less guaranteed to occupy the village's attention without posing much threat to the Spider(s)– as I said yesterDay, it could not even give us a known innocent. It is possible phantom believed he knew Sam's identity already, and was try to give him a cover under which he could communicate. It is also possible phantlob or phantling sought to draw Sam out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lhuna

1. the phantom
Because of the last-minute bandwagons thing. And I can totally see him pull off trying to pull the strings by asking the Sam question, but that's just my personal prejudice. It's also that I still don't get why he attempted to make that survey, unless he was (as someone said) trying to draw the Doctor out.

Were there others like these?

I seem to have only remembered the latter one by Lhuna - and it is a most odd one to be honest. I can see the reasoning behind Nerwen's post, but not the one behind Lhuna's.

Add to that this stuff with Sally refusing to tell us who Boro was (which I understand as one who has hosted a few games myself), I'm bending to shift my thoughts a bit - and well why not say it, that Boro was the Doc (which he hinted at being, I think) and so the one I thought was the Doc before... is more probably Sam then...

And that would indeed fit nicely with Lhuna not being a goodie as then Sam would have tried to fight against us thiknig Lhuna innocent, and Lhuna's stumbling with accusing tp is a nice additional extra - she wished to play on a suspicion over tp but failed to make the claim he tried to oust Sam (which is a possible claim) and said he tried to oust the Doc (which has no sense at all).

The pieces of the puzzle fit a bit too nicely now that I'm starting to distrust it. But as Boro used to say back in the old times: if it walks like, if it talks like... then it is it... Could it be this clear? Pheww... hard to say. But it would make sense of many things.

What do you say? Are there holes in here?

EDIT: Made the boldings into the quotes in similar fashion...

Nogrod · 05-09-2011, 02:00 PM

On a positive note I realised scrolling through the thread that Sally actually informs us in the end notifications / narrations that X was an "uninfected ordo". So one could gather from that that if we lynch an incubating ordo we'd know that too.

Another thing that struck me and made me back off a bit from what I said earlier was that Sally redefined the rules of the Doc. Then I remembered that there were people saying that tp's Sam scheme was a try to oust the Doc. I don't quite recall the logic of it (needs to go back to it - but if someone remembers what it was about, please come forwards with it and save me from a full scroll of the thread). Now something bothers me here with this "coincidence", but I'm not sure which way it goes. Are those accusing tp having an evil agenda or is tp having one?

Hey Sally, that is not fair!

Do you wish to imply Boro was not an ordo? ANd I started this post saying it is a good thing you keep us up to the track...

satansaloser2005 · 05-09-2011, 02:17 PM

Because she's Mummy's princess (and because she'd behave like that anyway).

Nog: I revealed Nienna's role immediately because she hadn't even entered the game. Boro, however, has been playing and is a different case. And I'm not implying anything about his role in the narration (which was why I mentioned him just wanting to feel up Fea).

I've decided to reveal his role at the end of the Day, because with such a small village it would be difficult to find anything out with very many variables. His role will not, however, be revealed until toNight. You have to finish out the Day without the knowledge of his role, as you would have if he was still playing,

Dropouts are strange and unfortunate. I wish everyone's lives were perfect and allowed for infinite Werewolf games.

Loslote · 05-09-2011, 02:27 PM

Come on, really? Half an hour until DL and it's this quiet?

I'm going to have to vote sooner than I'd like, but I don't want to get lynched, so I'd rather like to know who people are planning on voting.

the phantom · 05-09-2011, 02:28 PM

Yeah, as I was making that last post it really hit me where we are. Those two dropouts are absolute murder, rolling forward the final curtain one day when the purpose of the game is to lynch one single individual. That hurts.

And just assume for a minute that, for instance, Lottie and Inzil are both innocent and unlikely to trust each other tomorrow. Bang, game over, because like I said, a perfect bandwagon is needed tomorrow if we're wrong today (unless Sam works some magic again).

So yeah- not looking pretty.

As far as today's voting-
Lhuna ++ Lottie
Inzil ++ Lottie (2)

And Wilwa isn't going to be here, which means there's Nerwen, Shasta, Nog, Fea, and I left to vote.

Given my reasoning from earlier today Nerwen would seem a decent target, but as she's one of 5 remaining voters I doubt it would accomplish much, especially with Fea out there that can't be counted on to do anything productive. Shasta would be sort of a blind shot target, and again with him holding his vote it's not a good tactical target. Same with Nog.

That leaves Inzil as the easiest to hit mark given the votes we have, but he seems rather unlikely as Shelob (to me, anyway). Bleh. A game in which one must lynch one individual is hard enough, and then we aren't even allowed to rule anyone out because reveals aren't allowed and then two dropouts. This sucks.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 05-09-2011, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the phantom

If Fea's faking about having different rules and instructions, then.... um... she is. But I'm just going to dismiss that possibility as frankly it just makes things entirely not fun.

No no no, I don't have a different set of rules. I am simply behaving in a manner that doesn't require following rules. I've always said that laws were created to ensure the safety and behavior of the lowest common denominator of humanity. As I am not that, I need not follow rules. But I have no true official sanction to run my own set of rules and instructions.

It is merely that when Mistress Moddess asked me to play, I said I'd only do it if I didn't have to put forth any form of traditional effort, but could, if so inclined, cause headaches for all.

It's not a different set of instructions, it's just a very naughty child with an indulgent mama.

05-09-2011, 01:00 PM	#1
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	If Fea's faking about having different rules and instructions, then.... um... she is. But I'm just going to dismiss that possibility as frankly it just makes things entirely not fun. I already said earlier that Phantom, Wilwa, Lottie, and Lhuna were off the table so far as I'm concerned. So- that leaves Nerwen, Inzil, Shasta, and Nog. A question for you, Inzil. How Phantom-centric are you in general when you play with me? And now- a list of voting. Does it mean anything to anyone? DAY 1 VOTING Wilwa ++ Glirdan Lhuna ++ Lottie Inzil ++ Boro Bom ++ Lhuna Shasta ++ Nog Boro ++ Glirdy (2) TP ++ Glirdy (3) Nog ++ Glirdy (4) DAY 2 VOTING Nerwen ++ TP Bom ++ Lottie Lhuna ++ Bom Lottie ++ Zil Fea ++ TP (2) Boro ++ Lhuna Inzil ++ Bom (2) Nog ++ Bom (3) Wilwa ++ Lhuna (2) TP ++ Bom (4) If Shasta is Shelob then it's unlikely he chose Lottie or Lhuna for his first sting. If Inzil is Shelob then it's unlikely he chose Lottie for his first sting. Other than that I can't say much. Everyone's been less active than usual (or at least it seems that way). I mean- we only have two votes to go off of and Shasta and Nerwen both missed one, so there's half of the evidence gone right there. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

05-09-2011, 01:15 PM	#3
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	I'm pretty good about being here the last two hours of the day (yesterDay I dealt with graduation, remember, and then Mother's Day), but honestly I don't really see how we can catch Shelob other than by trial and error - she's exactly like a werebear in that all she has to do is survive, because her spiderlings, while nice to have around, are easily expendable. We haven't even lynched a spiderling yet, which would at least tell us something. And with Boro dropping out... how do your numbers change, Phantom? __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

05-09-2011, 01:22 PM	#4
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	My quick thoughts, before trying to do some digging back to the thread to search for the baddies. I'm not going to vote for... Lhuna - Whether she was stinged on N1 or not, Sam most probably used his healing powers on her the next Day. So unless Shelob is a great risk-taker, she should be innocent now (I mean if I were Sam I would have both healed and protected Lhuna last Night to be sure I could trust her toDay). tp - I think he is much more use to the village alive than as dead. If he is not Shelob (which I doubt she is), then he should be cunning enough to let us know if he has been stinged without revealing it outright against the rules and let Sam save him so as to nullify Shelob's efforts (sorry I said this out aloud, but I think people should think also this before they wish to lynch you). wilwa - After some thinking and rethinking I think I trust her more than many others. And I also think there is no problem saying that aloud. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

05-09-2011, 01:35 PM	#5
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	Couldn't anyone (including Lhuna) already be a spiderling, though? Unless I'm reading the days wrong? In which case.... yeah. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

05-09-2011, 01:50 PM	#6
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Boro was tending to business, feeling everyone for fangs or furry limbs like the rest of the group. It was unclear whether he was trying to diagnose the bitten, aid his brother or sister spiderling(s), or just using it as an excuse to touch Fea. Whatever his reasoning, he was feeling his way along the wall when suddenly he heard, plain as Day, a voice in his head. He couldn’t ignore the call. It was too strong. He had to leave, even if it meant leaving his comrade(s) to fight their battle alone. And suddenly, without any warning, Boro vanished without a trace. Gone Glirdan (ordo, lynched on Day 1) Nienna (ordo, withdrawn on Day 1-ish) Bom Stealth Yellowboots (ordo, lynched on Day 2) Boro (withdraw, called home on Day 3) It could be you (lynched on Day 3) Sorry for the delay. The narration was on my laptop and I didn't have a chance to hook up my phone until now. A little over an hour until DL. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

05-09-2011, 02:00 PM	#9
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	On a positive note I realised scrolling through the thread that Sally actually informs us in the end notifications / narrations that X was an "uninfected ordo". So one could gather from that that if we lynch an incubating ordo we'd know that too. Another thing that struck me and made me back off a bit from what I said earlier was that Sally redefined the rules of the Doc. Then I remembered that there were people saying that tp's Sam scheme was a try to oust the Doc. I don't quite recall the logic of it (needs to go back to it - but if someone remembers what it was about, please come forwards with it and save me from a full scroll of the thread). Now something bothers me here with this "coincidence", but I'm not sure which way it goes. Are those accusing tp having an evil agenda or is tp having one? Hey Sally, that is not fair! Do you wish to imply Boro was not an ordo? ANd I started this post saying it is a good thing you keep us up to the track... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

05-09-2011, 02:17 PM	#10
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Because she's Mummy's princess (and because she'd behave like that anyway). Nog: I revealed Nienna's role immediately because she hadn't even entered the game. Boro, however, has been playing and is a different case. And I'm not implying anything about his role in the narration (which was why I mentioned him just wanting to feel up Fea). I've decided to reveal his role at the end of the Day, because with such a small village it would be difficult to find anything out with very many variables. His role will not, however, be revealed until toNight. You have to finish out the Day without the knowledge of his role, as you would have if he was still playing, Dropouts are strange and unfortunate. I wish everyone's lives were perfect and allowed for infinite Werewolf games. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

05-09-2011, 02:27 PM	#11
Loslote The Werewolf's Companion Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Moon Posts: 3,021	Come on, really? Half an hour until DL and it's this quiet? I'm going to have to vote sooner than I'd like, but I don't want to get lynched, so I'd rather like to know who people are planning on voting. __________________ I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night. Double Fenris

05-09-2011, 02:28 PM	#12
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Yeah, as I was making that last post it really hit me where we are. Those two dropouts are absolute murder, rolling forward the final curtain one day when the purpose of the game is to lynch one single individual. That hurts. And just assume for a minute that, for instance, Lottie and Inzil are both innocent and unlikely to trust each other tomorrow. Bang, game over, because like I said, a perfect bandwagon is needed tomorrow if we're wrong today (unless Sam works some magic again). So yeah- not looking pretty. As far as today's voting- Lhuna ++ Lottie Inzil ++ Lottie (2) And Wilwa isn't going to be here, which means there's Nerwen, Shasta, Nog, Fea, and I left to vote. Given my reasoning from earlier today Nerwen would seem a decent target, but as she's one of 5 remaining voters I doubt it would accomplish much, especially with Fea out there that can't be counted on to do anything productive. Shasta would be sort of a blind shot target, and again with him holding his vote it's not a good tactical target. Same with Nog. That leaves Inzil as the easiest to hit mark given the votes we have, but he seems rather unlikely as Shelob (to me, anyway). Bleh. A game in which one must lynch one individual is hard enough, and then we aren't even allowed to rule anyone out because reveals aren't allowed and then two dropouts. This sucks. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.