WW LXXXVIII: What Lies in the Dark (Game Thread)

[Nogrod]

Scrolling down the few last pages I found these...

Originally Posted by Nerwen

1. Phantom's Sam scheme.
The ostensible reason was so we could be sure ifLhuna had been Sam's cure-target. All right. What strikes me about this scheme is that it was more-or-less guaranteed to occupy the village's attention without posing much threat to the Spider(s)– as I said yesterDay, it could not even give us a known innocent. It is possible phantom believed he knew Sam's identity already, and was try to give him a cover under which he could communicate. It is also possible phantlob or phantling sought to draw Sam out.

Originally Posted by Lhuna

1. the phantom
Because of the last-minute bandwagons thing. And I can totally see him pull off trying to pull the strings by asking the Sam question, but that's just my personal prejudice. It's also that I still don't get why he attempted to make that survey, unless he was (as someone said) trying to draw the Doctor out.

Were there others like these?

I seem to have only remembered the latter one by Lhuna - and it is a most odd one to be honest. I can see the reasoning behind Nerwen's post, but not the one behind Lhuna's.

Add to that this stuff with Sally refusing to tell us who Boro was (which I understand as one who has hosted a few games myself), I'm bending to shift my thoughts a bit - and well why not say it, that Boro was the Doc (which he hinted at being, I think) and so the one I thought was the Doc before... is more probably Sam then...

And that would indeed fit nicely with Lhuna not being a goodie as then Sam would have tried to fight against us thiknig Lhuna innocent, and Lhuna's stumbling with accusing tp is a nice additional extra - she wished to play on a suspicion over tp but failed to make the claim he tried to oust Sam (which is a possible claim) and said he tried to oust the Doc (which has no sense at all).

The pieces of the puzzle fit a bit too nicely now that I'm starting to distrust it. But as Boro used to say back in the old times: if it walks like, if it talks like... then it is it... Could it be this clear? Pheww... hard to say. But it would make sense of many things.

What do you say? Are there holes in here?


EDIT: Made the boldings into the quotes in similar fashion...

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

What do you say? Are there holes in here?

She could, of course, have been meaning to say Sam but said the Doctor instead. I know I say the wrong word a lot. But that being said, I would not be opposed to a Lhuna lynch.

[Nogrod]

If I'm right about Sam then Sam was against us giving Lhuna a pass because he had protected her against the major feeling... That I think matters here. Okay. I might be wrong about Sam but I think Sally wouldn't approve me talking about Sam openly at this stage.

Sally: if it is okay, I would be more than happy to bring forth my theory about Sam. If I'm right it's just fine as Shelob can't sting Sam...

[the phantom]

Nog- so long as your theory about Sam involves Sam being someone I've supported the entire game, I'm with you to that point. Now go on and explain the rest to me.

[satansaloser2005]

Nog: How specific is your theory? If you're concerned, PM it to me.


ETA: x'd

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

Also I'm a bit puzzled why you think it evident that Shelob attacked Sam on N2.

Shelob totally bought into me. Shelob saw my dedication to Wilwa and Lottie and figured she'd turn one of them and either make use of me or frame me or whatnot. So she went after one of them and she turned out to be Sam (ha ha) as I suspected already, and then that individual was kind enough to float their "theory" which confirmed what I suspected (that she was attacked and that the attack failed).

Originally Posted by Nog

I mean how do we know it either way? Actually I didn't understand your last argument... Please specify if you have time. I'd like to understand it.

My last argument was simply that even if the Shelob attack wasn't Sam (but rather someone he protected) my request for cure-picks wouldn't have outed Sam as only his protection would've been known to Shelob, so it was a pointless thing for Nerwen and Lhuna to accuse me of.

[the phantom]

Wait- what's your argument Nog?

The biggest problem with Nerwen and Lhuna claiming I was trying to draw out Sam is that it made no sense at all given that Shelob already knows who Sam is after Night 2.

Or if you wish to make the argument that Shelob didn't attack Sam Night 2, but instead was stopped by a Sam protection, the argument still makes no sense as no one at any point was suggesting Sam admit who his protection was, but rather his cure target.

But past the faulty reasoning I'm not sure what you're implicating.

(I agree with the Boro-Doc thing, of course. He was hinting like mad, which is why the first time through the hints escaped my notice, as I assumed that sort of thing was out of bounds.)

[Loslote]

++Zil

I've really got to go. If I die and no one looks at Zil toMorrow, I am going to be quite put out.

Edit: xed with Nog

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Wait- what's your argument Nog?

The biggest problem with Nerwen and Lhuna claiming I was trying to draw out Sam is that it made sense at all given that Shelob already knows who Sam is after Night 2.

Or if you wish to make the argument that Shelob didn't attack Sam Night 2, but instead was stopped by a Sam protection, the argument still makes no sense as no one at any point was suggesting Sam admit who his protection was, but rather his cure target.

But Lhuna said you were trying to draw out the Doc... not Sam. There's the discrepancy. And Sally readjusted the rules on the doc... I don't think it is a coincidence.

Also I'm a bit puzzled why you think it evident that Shelob attacked Sam on N2. I mean how do we know it either way? Actually I didn't understand your last argument... Please specify if you have time. I'd like to understand it.

[Nogrod]

I mean Sam is not allowed to say "I protected X".

[Nogrod]

Boro referred to both wilwa and Fea as beautiful ladies. Right. SO the Doc made them clear. Okay.

Sally. Too little time to PM. Can I speculate who Sam is?

[the phantom]

Anyway, time to vote.

[the phantom]

I would vote Nerwen, but I'm willing to go Inzil I suppose if necessary.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

++Nog

Because I don't want to create an irrevocable bandwagon, have to vote, and not sure if I can self vote. Ie: NOT because I have suspicions either way of him.

[satansaloser2005]

Technically you can speculate all you like. Just don't get the whole village involved in "If you were X, who would you pick?" and the like.

[Nogrod]

THe Frenzy...

++ Lhuna

[Nogrod]

Why do we end like this every Day? Really?

Couldn't we discuss things earlier?

[the phantom]

++Inzil

EDIT: vote is late because of forum not allowing me to post within 30 seconds of previous post

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

++Inzil
EDIT: vote is late because of forum not allowing me to post within 30 seconds of previous post

I feel your pain. Silly posting delay. Don't worry about it.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Hi. Boro isn't so needlessly complicated that he'd throw out so many Doctor hints just to pretend to be the Doctor just to confuse people so that they might think maybe somebody else was or something?

So here's the shibang. He referred to both Wilwa and I as beautiful ladies, which makes me think he was busy playing doctor with us (ahem) and at the time, found nothing wrong.

With him woefully gone, that's all just about irrelevant.

That being said, it's just about killing me that Wilwa has to work late and can't vote, because I was going to do whatever she did.

As such, since I only get a free pass on not voting once (toMorrow, when I'll be traveling due to some of that Nasssssty real life imperfection that keeps mucking up the game), I have to vote anyway, even though I really have no desire to make my own decisions.