WW XC: Lord of the Rings 2: The Quest For More Money

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Does this make Glirdy look bad for making a safe-seeming, random vote, or good for being so obvious about it? Hmm...

I'd say neither. I will refrain on making any opinion on Glirdy until he has the chance to actually say something.

Originally Posted by Folwren

McCaber, I kind of see your point about Bom Tombadil, but it doesn't sound like the conclusions a guilty person would come to. For instance, if he really was a wolf, he would prolly keep things quiet about people being gifted and just hold onto it himself. I also kinda doubt he's gifted himself.

I agree with this.

Originally Posted by Folwren

(Tell me again why we're calling the murderers wolves? Besides Aracaber's brilliantly bad sleuthing skills?)

Because we are playing wereWOLF, not wereACTOR.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Glirdan just said he didn't want to be mod-fired, does this make him a wolf you think?

An ordo can also not want to be modfired. I don't see how this points to wolvery.

The BoroBom thing is... interesting. In a not very good way. I can't say anything for sure for either one of them (who can, on D1?... except for wolves, that is), but they both seem to be making an elephant out of a fly.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

An ordo can also not want to be modfired. I don't see how this points to wolvery.

Wait, are you ridiculously misquoting Boro?

The post:

Originally Posted by Boromir88

As to your second part that is the biggest misconception in werewolf ever. Only the wolves don't want to die/be lynched. Glirdan just said he didn't want to be mod-fired, does this make him a wolf you think? The fact that someone, I don't know?...wants to participate and not be killed because someone who thinks they're being funny put the word wolf if someone's name, doesn't make him/her a wolf.

His whole point is that not wanting to be out of the game does not in any way point to wolvery.



However, this makes you look better in my eyes. I think a wolf would be more careful.

[Bom Tombadillo]

Welp. 30 minutes to deadline, and I doubt anything's going to come along to change my mind (plus, supper's coming up soon). So,

++Boromir88

EDIT: X'd with Eonwe. I don't quite understand what's meant by that comment on the Boro-quote either, but I don't think it's a deliberate misquote.

[Inziladun]

Thought you were leaning toward Shasta, weren't you Bom? That's changed because it's now Boro who's after you?

x/d with Foley

[Inziladun]

It isn't lost on me that Bom's vote was the second on Boro, either.

[Loslote]

About a half an hour to DL, guys.

[Bom Tombadillo]

To Inzilarond (again): Yes. Yes it has. I do seem to recall saying that I would vote Shasta if nothing else came up, though. And it was entirely unintentional that my vote was the second for Boromir88.

[Inziladun]

Hm, so it's:

Glirdan--> Boro (1)
Eomer--> Glirdan (1)
Bom--> Boro (2)

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

And it was entirely unintentional that my vote was the second for Boromir88.

You can't expect people to believe that you didn't consider it at all.

[Eruhen]

Well, that 'brief trip to the mall' turned into a 'five hour expedition with screaming child in tow'. Nice to see that it's looking like a typical Day 1 so far.

I've got about 20 minutes, so I'll keep an eye on things before I vote. Nothing's really jumped out at me so far, though. Neither Boro nor Bom seem particularly wolfish to me. Seem more like typical catty actors, than anything.

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

The BoroBom thing is... interesting. In a not very good way. I can't say anything for sure for either one of them (who can, on D1?... except for wolves, that is), but they both seem to be making an elephant out of a fly.

I concur. Lots of raised blood here, especially from Boromir.

Inzil has done a post by post analysis of Bom. I'm not very good at those, but I'm going to give it a shot for Boromir. Coming soon.

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Boromir's first post

If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.

(Translation: Hoarding is evil. Wolves are hoarders. Wolves are evil. Those demading raises....just connect the dots).

Seems normal to me...for a first post on Day 1, anyway. Not serious, nothing suspicious.

Originally Posted by Boromir's second post

That's not applicable to wolves master Dwarf. The Ring required a very specific plan to be unmade and Gollum had a part yet to play in that tale.

The wolves part to play is to eat us and I assure you, show me who the wolves are, and my fire his hot enough to roast them.

Nothing bad there. Still Day 1 content. Expresses hatred for wolves. Natural for an player.

Originally Posted by Boromir's third post

Translations of the Scotsman:

"Too busy to participate because I'm still finishing my meal from yesternight. I think I'll have Lottie's left shoulder loin for second breakfast, is that ok then with my packmates?"

That's just...gross.

Originally Posted by Boromir's fourth post

Let's be honest Glirdanindel you didn't know who to vote for and so your random vote is really just voting for me because you knew I would not be offended? Seeing as we go back a ways and are essentially brothers?

Fairy nuff, since I've done the same before. Not knowing who to vote for, so my random Day 1 pick usually falls to you if I have to make one.

His feathers weren't ruffled about being voted for by Glirdan, so long as the vote was random, apparently.

Originally Posted by Boromir's fifth post

I think the quietness is due to not having any of the Finns or phantom present and me deciding to try something less abrasive and loudy.

No comment necessary.

Originally Posted by Boromir's sixth post

Thanks for telling me you're not the seer and whether innocent or not I won't trust a word you say the remainder of this time.

Oooh, ouch. Pretty much says, 'Since your not the seer, even if you're an innocent, I won't trust you.'

Originally Posted by Boromir's seventh post point one

Indeed but the so-called "random" votes, are rarely ever random in the true sense of the world. You often don't see random votes for someone's first time as they learn what goes on, nor random votes for members who haven't been around in a while. So really the "random" votes just go to someone who you know won't mind being voted for on Day 1, because dying Day 1 kind of stinks.

Again, not really anything to comment on.

Originally Posted by Boromir's seventh post point two

Right, we're supposed to distinguish your jokes from non-jokes, how? And you really think you can just get away joking around with clever names and not have someone say something about it?

The question is, who else took him seriously? It was a joke, obviously. Why can't we tease about wolf-ish names? He wasn't really making an accusation. That would have hurt if it'd come after a post that was trying to make Boromir look like a wolf.

Originally Posted by Boromir's seventh post point three

As to your second part that is the biggest misconception in werewolf ever. Only the wolves don't want to die/be lynched. Glirdan just said he didn't want to be mod-fired, does this make him a wolf you think? The fact that someone, I don't know?...wants to participate and not be killed because someone who thinks they're being funny put the word wolf if someone's name, doesn't make him/her a wolf.

It's been addressed already by others.

Originally Posted by Boromir's seventh post point four

You can't expect to go gallivanting around calling anyone you feel like a wolf and not expect the person to react. Especially me. I said what I said because I know you're either trying to be a silly innocent or a wolf. Either way, I don't trust you and I know for certain 2 roles you are not, thus if it comes down to it, I will have no issues voting for you.

Why especially you? Some people wouldn't react. And just be cause you know he's not a gifted doesn't make him a guilty party. His behavior today has been such that I would really guess he's not a guilty party. So to not be bothered to vote for him really doesn't make sense. It would bother me to vote for a person who was likely an innocent.

Is being continued, wanted to get this out before deadline.

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Boromir's eighth post

Granted I could have said what I wanted to a bit more kindly, but gotta learn at some point. Everyone's different and maybe others don't mind, but I've seen too many people get lynched on what were so-called jokes, and no one should expect to say whatever they want and not be questioned or challenged by it. Innocent intended jokes or not, I still know some things Bom is not.

Okay, so apparently Boromir got frightened that Bom's glib comment would get him lynched. Fair 'nuff.

Oh, look...that's it.

My opinion...a bit over the top defensive and worried that such a comment would get him lynched. Really, it seems to me more dangerous to respond to such a thing than to just let it lie.

-- Foley

Edit: I X-posted with a few people since beginning my analysis. Pretty much since I last posted.

[Boromir88]

I'm going to vote for whoever it is that will save me. So please...start voting like...now

[Eruhen]

Actually, Boro, you can take out a wolf even if you're lynched. See Lottie's post above.

However, unless you're certain of having one, you'd want to be cautious on Day 1.

I'll post my vote in a few. Just wanna let others have their say.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Here with two minutes to spare... are there really only four votes thus far? I skimmed page 2 and all of page 3 thus far so I could post once before having to vote...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Boro claims Hunter, have to vote to save him, will think about it when I can.

++Glirdan

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Eruhen

Actually, Boro, you can take out a wolf even if you're lynched. See Lottie's post above.

However, unless you're certain of having one, you'd want to be cautious on Day 1.

I'll post my vote in a few. Just wanna let others have their say.

You don't understand. I did not get a pick during Night 1. I have no name to give in and it only applies to being killed. Not lynched.

[Eruhen]

Oh. True. Vote in a minute.

[Boromir88]

++Bom

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

You don't understand. I did not get a pick during Night 1. I have no name to give in and it only applies to being killed. Not lynched.

Lynched too, Lottie said.

I'll be voting for a submarine.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

EDIT: X'd with Wolfomir88.

Bom calls Boro a wolf, probably as a joke, but without reason.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Thanks for telling me you're not the seer and whether innocent or not I won't trust a word you say the remainder of this time.

Boro sounds concerned and rather, umm, harsh.

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

. . . Yet another victory for the inability to distinguish jokes made over the internet! Yay!

. . .

That's actually made me more suspicious, by the way. A wolf would be more watchful for potential accusations against himself, would he not?

This sounds queer. Very queer. Weirder than the regular-weird Bom.

Bom is also quick to proclaim his ordoship (he pointed out he's not a gifted earlier on)

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Right, we're supposed to distinguish your jokes from non-jokes, how? And you really think you can just get away joking around with clever names and not have someone say something about it?

As to your second part that is the biggest misconception in werewolf ever. Only the wolves don't want to die/be lynched. Glirdan just said he didn't want to be mod-fired, does this make him a wolf you think? The fact that someone, I don't know?...wants to participate and not be killed because someone who thinks they're being funny put the word wolf if someone's name, doesn't make him/her a wolf.

You can't expect to go gallivanting around calling anyone you feel like a wolf and not expect the person to react. Especially me. I said what I said because I know you're either trying to be a silly innocent or a wolf. Either way, I don't trust you and I know for certain 2 roles you are not, thus if it comes down to it, I will have no issues voting for you.

First paragraph is ok.

I don't get the second. Only the wolves? Do you want to die as an ordo? You might be less, umm, afraid to die, but would you want to? Of course, if it involves saving a Gifted, I'd sacrifice myself. But otherwise, I'd rather live.

I can see what you're saying in the last bit.

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

Oi oi oi! All I was saying was that you were far, far, far more defensive about it than seems normal to me - something that makes you look wolfish in my eyes. After all, wolves have more to lose if they die.

And yes, I do think I can get away with joking around with clever names - I've seen it happen. Not like I'm saying "Boromir88 is a wolf! Let's lynch him!" or anything, is it?

And finally, I don't expect people to be able to distinguish my jokes particularly well, just to be less inclined to go for my throat about them than you have been.

EDIT: X'd with Eomer. Nice comparison.

Last paragraph is weirder than usual.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Granted I could have said what I wanted to a bit more kindly, but gotta learn at some point. Everyone's different and maybe others don't mind, but I've seen too many people get lynched on what were so-called jokes, and no one should expect to say whatever they want and not be questioned or challenged by it. Innocent intended jokes or not, I still know some things Bom is not.

Sounds good.

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

And those would be? You've mentioned that you don't think I'm the Seer, but what else?

Bom continues to challenge.

Boro also posts a joke-post here. This post is an obvious joke. (Unlike Bom's, that could be interpreted any way.)

Well, mustn't get too worked up about people latching on to me. (That seems to be becoming a theme of my games . . .)

Between the two of them, I find this quote the most suspicious. This was before they started fighting over nothing, though. But still.

Edit: xed since the vote count

[Eruhen]

Well, now. Boro's officially off my ordo list. Though whether he's moved to the 'wolf' list or the 'gifted' list will require a little more thought.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I don't get the second. Only the wolves? Do you want to die as an ordo? You might be less, umm, afraid to die, but would you want to? Of course, if it involves saving a Gifted, I'd sacrifice myself. But otherwise, I'd rather live.

I just explained this. The misconception is that it's only the wolves that don't want to die.

edit: x-ed since G55's post

[Loslote]

Role Clarification:

Hunter: Sends me a name every Night. Cannot change the name during the Day. If the Hunter is killed, the person xe chose will only die if xe is a wolf.

The Hunter can take down a wolf if xe is lynched, but cannot kill an innocent. Same goes for Night-kills. Xe cannot change the choice during the Day, so whatever xe sent in overNight is who xe has chosen. Apologies if that was badly worded!

[McCaber]

Well, now I'm willing to give Boromir the benefit of the doubt, even if he is mistaken on how the rules work. And I don't have a whole lot of ideas on others, because all the analysis came out within ten minutes of the DL. So a wild shot in the dark would be

++Inziladun

Because he kind of tripped my radar, and voted for me. Vengeance is mine!

[Eönwë]

Ok, well I won't be voting for Boro today. He could be lying but it's really not worth the risk this early on.

Right now I'm thinking of voting for one of the submarines.

[Eönwë]

Ok, I've decided to go with

++Sally

edit: x-ed with everything since my last

[Eönwë]

Oh, this is going to be messy.