The Silmarillion in one word - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

FlimFlamSam · 08-04-2011, 09:56 AM

Galadriel55 spoke: [In that case, we will just have to disagree]
Yeppers.

Nice summation of the exisitng words used in the thread so far.
Good work.

Nerwen spoke: [I think this guy's just trolling.]
Yeah... No--that's not it.

Nerwen · 08-05-2011, 06:39 AM

FlimFlam–

You do know that just saying you're not a troll by this stage carries about as much weight as insisting that a violet-eyed half-Elf fan-fic heroine is "not a Mary Sue"?

Narnangol · 08-09-2011, 11:25 AM

I would like to add WISTFUL.

I agree with everyone who said it was nostalgic or regretful in some way. The gradual diminishing of the world and its tainting - Arda Marred, if you will - is, at least to me, the the most prominent theme of The Silm, even THE theme. Especially so with the last lines, which I don't have on me now.

Galadriel55 · 08-09-2011, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Narnangol

Especially so with the last lines, which I don't have on me now.

Here they are:

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Yet the lies that Melkor, the mighty and accursed, Morgoth Baugir, the Power of Terror and of Hate, sowed in the hearts of Elves and Men are a seed that does not die and cannot be destroyed; and ever and anon it aprouts anew, and will bear dark fruit even unto the latest days.

This is probably my most favourite passage in all the books. I have many favourites (too many for them to be called "favourites"...

), but this sentence is simply unbeatable.

Wait... there's more...

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Here ends the SILMARILLION. If it has passed from the high and beautiful to darkness and ruin, that was of old the fate of Arda Marred; and if any change shall come and the Marring be amended, Manwe and Varda may know; but they have not revealed it, and it is not declared in the dooms of Mandos.

This does indeed summarise the whole Sil.

Narnangol · 08-09-2011, 06:19 PM

Yes, that last quote! Exactly what I was trying to say. Tolkien seems to have put it in better words than me.

Galadriel55 · 08-09-2011, 08:44 PM

While I absolutely agree with words like "wistful" and "nostalgia", my words seem to be more... erm, now how should I call it? Well, those that describe the impression rather than the book.

Looking at the long list I made earlier, most "words" are either "summaries" (like wistful, loss), "experiences or reading The Sil" (like complicated, headaches, demanding (lol

... these are not the best experiences)), or "impressions" (like destiny, doomed!, tragedy, sorrow, powerful). Do you get the gist?

Interesting...

Narnangol · 08-10-2011, 10:59 AM

Yes, I see it too. And the words describing the experiences of reading the book do seem to be predominantly negative.

Galadriel · 08-15-2011, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55

headaches

LOL, agreed! ;D

08-05-2011, 06:39 AM	#2
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08-09-2011, 11:25 AM	#3
Narnangol Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Hall of Fire Posts: 42	I would like to add WISTFUL. I agree with everyone who said it was nostalgic or regretful in some way. The gradual diminishing of the world and its tainting - Arda Marred, if you will - is, at least to me, the the most prominent theme of The Silm, even THE theme. Especially so with the last lines, which I don't have on me now. __________________ A box without hinges, key, or lid, yet golden treasure inside is hid.

08-09-2011, 06:19 PM	#5
Narnangol Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Hall of Fire Posts: 42	Yes, that last quote! Exactly what I was trying to say. Tolkien seems to have put it in better words than me. __________________ A box without hinges, key, or lid, yet golden treasure inside is hid.

08-09-2011, 08:44 PM	#6
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,513	While I absolutely agree with words like "wistful" and "nostalgia", my words seem to be more... erm, now how should I call it? Well, those that describe the impression rather than the book. Looking at the long list I made earlier, most "words" are either "summaries" (like wistful, loss), "experiences or reading The Sil" (like complicated, headaches, demanding (lol ... these are not the best experiences)), or "impressions" (like destiny, doomed!, tragedy, sorrow, powerful). Do you get the gist? Interesting... __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

08-10-2011, 10:59 AM	#7
Narnangol Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Hall of Fire Posts: 42	Yes, I see it too. And the words describing the experiences of reading the book do seem to be predominantly negative. __________________ A box without hinges, key, or lid, yet golden treasure inside is hid.

08-04-2011, 09:56 AM	#1
FlimFlamSam Pile O'Bones Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 25	Galadriel55 spoke: [In that case, we will just have to disagree] Yeppers. Nice summation of the exisitng words used in the thread so far. Good work. Nerwen spoke: [I think this guy's just trolling.] Yeah... No--that's not it.