WW LXXXVII - The Valley Forge - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Inziladun · 08-15-2011, 01:32 PM

This could be interesting.

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Originally Posted by McCaber

Well, should we each give a list of three people we randomly suspect?

In which case I'll go with Rikae, Glirdy, and Pitchwife.

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Anyway, I shall vote for Pitch, Eruhen, or Gal55.

*flips coin*

Heads, so... Crap, this coin isn't three sided. So umm....

You must be lynched-

++Pitch

So tp happened to vote for someone suspected (for no reason) by Cabbie. What to make of that?

x/d with Pitch

Bom Tombadillo · 08-15-2011, 01:37 PM

I suspect you know exactly what to make of it, and don't want to state it too openly. Why? Who knows? But I shall be watching you as well as phantom.

EDIT: X'd with Boro.

Inziladun · 08-15-2011, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

I suspect you know exactly what to make of it, and don't want to state it too openly. Why? Who knows? But I shall be watching you as well as phantom.

I may have an idea, but do I know? I do not. I don't see how anyone but phantom could "know" what he's up to.

Galadriel55 · 08-15-2011, 01:54 PM

Interesting find, Zil. But it could just be a coincidence. Like, if tp makes my head hurt and your head hurt, and we both vote him for that reason - does that make us wolves?

Galadriel55 · 08-15-2011, 02:24 PM

O wow! Look at that!

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55, before two ++TP votes came along the way

Interesting find, Zil. But it could just be a coincidence. Like, if tp makes my head hurt and your head hurt, and we both vote him for that reason - does that make us wolves?

So are we packmates, Zil?

Bom Tombadillo · 08-15-2011, 02:31 PM

Tee hee. I suppose I'll be waiting until the last minute to vote . . . well, maybe not.

++TP

Galadriel55 · 08-15-2011, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

Tee hee. I suppose I'll be waiting until the last minute to vote . . . well, maybe not.

I thought you wanted to keep him alive?

TP is sure becoming popular as a place-holder vote. Well, he's the only one that really talked toDay... For now, I don't have a good opinion on anyone else...

Edit: xed with Pitchie

Pitchwife · 08-16-2011, 05:20 PM

I'll skip the "Weredwarves reveal", my teasing him about it and his reply to me; they're all on page 1, easy enough to find.

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Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

"Alas," you say? A wolf desperately trying to kill the second-deadliest member of the village day 1? Not unlikely, I think.

"you" is here Boro; flattering tp and casting some shadow on Boro at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

I'm torn between keeping phantom around to admire his brilliance (before killing him for being an eeevil li'l schemer) and just plain killing him to, as G55 says, save us some headaches.

Also, phantom's fixation on killing the KD this early seems like a Forger trying to get an obstacle out of the way during the day, when the Watchdwarf can't protect him.

This, apparently, is where he changed his mind about tp and decided to go after him. Also, note the agreement with G55 - not the last time we see them paired.

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Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

I suspect you know exactly what to make of it, and don't want to state it too openly. Why? Who knows? But I shall be watching you as well as phantom.

In answer to this:

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Originally Posted by Zil

So tp happened to vote for someone suspected (for no reason) by Cabbie. What to make of that?

Suggesting tp, McCaber and Zil to be in collusion, but still mostly fixated on tp.

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Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

Tee hee. I suppose I'll be waiting until the last minute to vote . . . well, maybe not.

++TP

Votes tp. Again, following a lead from G55 (and Zil, who however retracted later from tp to Bom).

So far, merely from this, I'd say tp, Boro, Zil and McCaber are unlikely to be Bom's companions in Forgery. G55, on the other hand, could well be one.

The votes for Bom:
Pitch
Mith (2)
Eruhen (3)
Zil (4, retracting from tp)
wilwa (5)
Boro (6, retracting from sally; x-ed with DL, although it was still :59 on the BD clock)

wilwa of course is now a known innocent (and paid with her life for the vote). Mith and Eruhen look pretty good to me for adding wheels to the wagon. Zil and Boro see above.

G55, on the other hand, made an honourable last minute attempt to dissuade people from the Bomwagon. Again, possible packmate.

Which reminds me -

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Other people voted TP as well...

...so why didn't I ask you to retract, is that what you meant? Maybe I had a hunch that you wouldn't be likely to oblige; or if you did retract, you wouldn't use your vote in a way I would have liked.
Not that you couldn't have done it unasked anyway, you know...

Galadriel55 · 08-15-2011, 02:32 PM

Half an hour left, people. Really.

And our votes?

TP-->Pitch (will it be counted?)
Boro-->Sally
Zil-->tp
G55-->tp (2)
Bom-->tp (3)

Edit: xed with Bom

Mithalwen · 08-15-2011, 02:41 PM

Don't like phantom's plan but don't like facile bandwaggon's either

This is pure hunch based on various things ..the invitation to reveal, the jump on the bandwaggon... just giving the impression of fangs and fur

++BomTombadillo

Don't like TP's plan but at moment feel it is him being clever clever rather than evil. Inclined ot keep him atm and may well do what is necessary.

Far to keen for early doors - don't pander to him.

Eruhen · 08-15-2011, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

I may have an idea, but do I know? I do not. I don't see how anyone but phantom could "know" what he's up to.

Sometimes, I don't think even he knows...

In all seriousness, though, I'm really starting to think phantom's plan isn't all that and a bag of crisps, mainly because of something Wilwa managed to put into words but had been percolating inside my skull:

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So by the sounds of it the Forge can't win until the KD is dead (am I understanding this correctly?), and if there is only 1 Forge member left they cannot kill the KD at Night. So by lynching the KD during the day, would we not be helping the Forge? I mean they don't want to kill him at Night, that could draw attention to themselves, so they would want us to kill him for them.

Plus, there's the definite downside of getting the KD before he has a chance to hint to anyone who he thinks the Forgers might be going after.

Alsø alsø wik, the longer the KD has to give hints to the NWD, the better idea the NWD has of who's in the Forge and who isn't. The Forgers obviously aren't going to attack their own, so whatever names the KD gives to the NWD are known innocents. So, between the two of them, the KD and NWD work as a pseudo-Seer. Benefit to keeping both of them around as long as possible.

Edit: x-ed with G55

Inziladun · 08-15-2011, 02:11 PM

The fact that the votes are retractable does add a wrinkle to how we could perceive them thus far.

In that spirit:

++phantom

I've never voted for him on Day 1, and there's a first time for everything. Also, I don't really have much on anyone else at the moment. I could change this if something else catches my eye in the meantime.

Pitchwife · 08-15-2011, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

I suspect you know exactly what to make of it, and don't want to state it too openly. Why? Who knows? But I shall be watching you as well as phantom.

EDIT: X'd with Boro.

This sounds like the same might actually go for you. Take care not to paint tp too black, or you might get some soot on your own nose. If you haven't already, that is.

Other thing I find interesting is how G55 seems all fine and dandy with tp's plan but grasps for every argument that can be used against it. Very nicely done. You'll do very well at the smithy. (Yeah, I know I've been rather wishy-washy about it myself. So lynch me.

)

Eruhen has just made a very good point which has moved him(?) from Iron to Mithril on my personal colour scale. As for the rest:

White-hot
None, at this point

Mithril
sally
wilwa
tp
McCaber

Iron
Boro
Zil
Finduilas
Mith

Cloudy Glass (i.e. nothing to see)
Glirdan

Slate
Nerwen

Box-Shadow Darkblue !Important
Rikae

And to get things rolling,
++Bom

Boromir88 · 08-15-2011, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Eruhen has just made a very good point which has moved him(?) from Iron to Mithril on my personal colour scale. As for the rest:

Agreed about Eruhen's point.

Edit: crossed with Finduilas. Highlight your vote...[ HIGHLIGHT] [ /HIGHLIGHT] (without the spaces)

08-15-2011, 01:37 PM	#2
Bom Tombadillo Wight Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Behind you . . . . BOO! Posts: 222	I suspect you know exactly what to make of it, and don't want to state it too openly. Why? Who knows? But I shall be watching you as well as phantom. EDIT: X'd with Boro. __________________ Every human should have a cat or two in their care, to teach them the meaning of the word, and to correct them. Phenris Dorph

08-15-2011, 01:54 PM	#4
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,487	Interesting find, Zil. But it could just be a coincidence. Like, if tp makes my head hurt and your head hurt, and we both vote him for that reason - does that make us wolves? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

08-15-2011, 02:31 PM	#6
Bom Tombadillo Wight Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Behind you . . . . BOO! Posts: 222	Tee hee. I suppose I'll be waiting until the last minute to vote . . . well, maybe not. ++TP __________________ Every human should have a cat or two in their care, to teach them the meaning of the word, and to correct them. Phenris Dorph

08-15-2011, 02:32 PM	#9
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,487	Half an hour left, people. Really. And our votes? TP-->Pitch (will it be counted?) Boro-->Sally Zil-->tp G55-->tp (2) Bom-->tp (3) Edit: xed with Bom __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

08-15-2011, 02:41 PM	#10
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,460	Don't like phantom's plan but don't like facile bandwaggon's either This is pure hunch based on various things ..the invitation to reveal, the jump on the bandwaggon... just giving the impression of fangs and fur ++BomTombadillo Don't like TP's plan but at moment feel it is him being clever clever rather than evil. Inclined ot keep him atm and may well do what is necessary. Far to keen for early doors - don't pander to him. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace Last edited by Mithalwen; 08-15-2011 at 02:43 PM. Reason: xp since 104 = reasons and v slow at doing the highlight.

08-15-2011, 02:11 PM	#12
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	The fact that the votes are retractable does add a wrinkle to how we could perceive them thus far. In that spirit: ++phantom I've never voted for him on Day 1, and there's a first time for everything. Also, I don't really have much on anyone else at the moment. I could change this if something else catches my eye in the meantime. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.