WW LXXXVII - The Valley Forge

[Pitchwife]

Boro, Zil, would either of you be inclined to retract? Preferably both?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Boro, Zil, would either of you be inclined to retract? Preferably both?

Why? I understand about Boro, but why Zil? Because he voted tp? I just don't get it.

Finduilas, you need to highlight your vote.

Edit: like this: [ highlight] ... [ /highlight] but without spaces

[Pitchwife]

Because I wouldn't like to see tp lynched toDay? Is that good enough?

[Inziladun]

Ok. It's interesting to see who pounced on tp after my vote. I'll feel like Bill the Pony if tp turns out to be a baddie, but:

--phantom

++Bom

Because G55 looks less suspicious.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Just as a point of interest, Bom, Gal55, Eruhen, Inzil, and Nerwen seem to think of the baddies as Werewolves (judging from their wording here and there) even though the baddies in this village are not Werewolves.

Yes, I know we're not dealing with wolves, per se, but they act like wolves. What's the difference? If it kills like a wolf...

Originally Posted by the phantom

Why did you say that after you changed your vote from me to Bom? What was the connection?

The connection as that they'd both followed my vote for you. When I made it, I had every intention of checking closer to DL to see if anyone had opportunistically mimicked me. When Pitch asked if I'd retract, I did so, and went for Bom as the one whose vote I thought looked worse.

x/d with Eruhen

[Inziladun]

Let's see. I'm feeling pretty good about Eruhen, since she tied Bom with tp. Boro's vote might seem the least shiny of the Bom-voters, just because it came so late. Baddies have little to lose by putting another nail in a doomed mate's coffin, and everything to gain.

I'm curious to hear Finduilas's explanation for her vote on me. At the time, tp was in the lead with three votes, and Bom had two. Could a newbie-Innocent who was merely pressed for time not choose between one of them? Or was it a safe throwaway by a newbie wolf?

[Galadriel55]

The Day is already getting eventful! Me likes that!

Originally Posted by Rikae

I didn't think Bom got the inside joke, though, Cab - he seemed to read something else into it (or want others to, anyway).

I don't get it either. I don't even get what exactly was the joke.

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Galadriel worries me a lot. I may be a poor judge because she was my abandoned cub the one and only time I have played with her but I have filled twice as much paper on her but it is a bit careful.

That made me really happy again, MommieMith. I can assure you that I talked just as much as an ordo in Lottie's game as I did as a wolf in Zil's game.

Originally Posted by Mith

Then the last minute attack on the bandwaggon.. just seemed it might be a fausse-naive bluff....

.......Comming from MommieMith who doesn't really like bandwagons herself.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I'm curious to hear Finduilas's explanation for her vote on me. At the time, tp was in the lead with three votes, and Bom had two. Could a newbie-Innocent who was merely pressed for time not choose between one of them? Or was it a safe throwaway by a newbie wolf?

Seconded. Very curious. I wouldn't put her under either category until she explains.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Boro's vote might seem the least shiny of the Bom-voters, just because it came so late. Baddies have little to lose by putting another nail in a doomed mate's coffin, and everything to gain.

The fact that it ended up last in a string of last minute votes is mis-leading. I crossed with everyone since my post responding to Pitch on whether I would be willing to retract my vote.

So, in truth, you, wilwa, and me, all voted at the same time and my vote coming at the end is coincidental since your magical internet pixies may have transferred the info a fraction sooner, or your fingers were just that much faster.

[Finduilas]

Hm. I'm feeling terribly out of this game, I've been too quiet. Let's see if I can fix that.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I'm curious to hear Finduilas's explanation for her vote on me. At the time, tp was in the lead with three votes, and Bom had two. Could a newbie-Innocent who was merely pressed for time not choose between one of them? Or was it a safe throwaway by a newbie wolf?

Zil, my vote for you was a case of... indecision (with a smidgen of time pressure too). I wanted to vote for both TP and Bom, but I dislike killing people on the first day (sorry, always have, I'll show more backbone toDay), so I voted for someone who had no votes, and who had not particularly struck me as a definite innocent. So I haven't decided on you yet, but that's why I voted for you. Actually, considering your retraction vote from Phantom (who'm I currently think is "innocent", though most other players seem to have termed him as evil, Forge member or not...) to Bom, I think I might trust you...

Originally Posted by Eruhen

Alsø alsø wik, the longer the KD has to give hints to the NWD, the better idea the NWD has of who's in the Forge and who isn't. The Forgers obviously aren't going to attack their own, so whatever names the KD gives to the NWD are known innocents. So, between the two of them, the KD and NWD work as a pseudo-Seer. Benefit to keeping both of them around as long as possible.

I like this thinking. Pity the Watch Dwarf died...

Alright, that's all for now. I will do my utmostest to be more active tomorrow (but still toDay).

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Finduilas

Zil, my vote for you was a case of... indecision (with a smidgen of time pressure too). I wanted to vote for both TP and Bom, but I dislike killing people on the first day (sorry, always have, I'll show more backbone toDay), so I voted for someone who had no votes, and who had not particularly struck me as a definite innocent. So I haven't decided on you yet, but that's why I voted for you.

Since you remind me of myself last game, where ordo!me chose to neither save or to condemn a gifted but rather to throw away my vote, I won't yell "wolf!" at that...

Originally Posted by Findy

...Phantom (who'm I currently think is "innocent", though most other players seem to have termed him as evil, Forge member or not...)

But he is! Ask anyone, and they'll tell you that he's an evil genius.

Now, bedtime. Really. Night, all!

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Because I wouldn't like to see tp lynched toDay? Is that good enough?

Other people voted TP as well...

Yes, actually. Nothing more I dislike than a Day 1 throw away vote. It would mean I'd have to wait a day to see sally's reaction, but I'd have to wait regardless.

Who will the unlucky person be?

The Bom wagon looks weird to me. He made some odd comments, but he always says weird things. It's the norm for him. I don't get the sudden-just-before-DL "let's lynch him"-ness.

Edit: xed with Boro and Foley. It's still :59 on my clock.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Boro, Zil, would either of you be inclined to retract? Preferably both?

Yes, actually. Nothing more I dislike than a Day 1 throw away vote. It would mean I'd have to wait a day to see sally's reaction, but I'd have to wait regardless.

[Bom Tombadillo]

Ah, last minute chaos. Much more fun online than in real life.

EDIT: X'd with Inziladun. Yeah, this is going to hurt.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Finduilas

Sorry for "playing the newbie" folks. I really have had more to say, I'm just keep writing it and not posting it until it is obsolete. That being said, I have 8 minutes till deadline, and guests in the living room... meaning, I don't have time to write another posts in argument.

++ Inziladun

Oh, for goodness sakes, how do you highlight text? Whatever. Foley can count my vote or not, as she wishes.

[ highlight ]text[ /highlight ] without the spaces.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Boro, Zil, would either of you be inclined to retract? Preferably both?

I might. Why do you ask?

x/d with G55 and Boro

[wilwarin538]

sorry, I'll explain absence on admin:

++Bom

, vote for him uz I don't want tp gone yet, his suggestion wasn't necessarily evil.

[Galadriel55]

I found something else rather curious. TP voted Pitch. Pitch voted Bom. Bom voted TP. Interesting triangle. Contradictory conclusions are the only ones that come to my mind atm, so I'll have to address this again after a night of sleep. From the first look, Pitch and Phantom come out clean and shiny from yesterDay's vote. But I won't rule out a wolf-on-wolf yet. Fine. Forger-on-Forger. But I will still call them wolves. Evil werewolf spirits remain such regardless of who they posess and what shape they take. *stares at phantom*

And since I'm here, I can also say that Pitch is acting abnormal toDay, making an elephant out of a fly with Rikae. This isn't supposed to be related to my previous statement - at least in my head, - but they both stand... I think...

That's it. Bedtime. I'm stuttering in typing.... if that made any sense..... *head drops, eyes close*

Edit: xed with Findy

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

Well, we'll see how this turns out. I do believe we'll find a good chunk of the truth this lynch.

That's for all of you who couldn't find a single KD clue. ^.^ We know now that he's not the KD, but for all we - and the wolves - kne yesterDay, he mighta been. Though this is the only KD hint I found, and it was said when votes were already starting to fall on him...

Originally Posted by Zil

It does appear to me that G55's suspicions of Pitch seem rather forced. Pitch was hardly making a "case" against Rikae; just asking for a clarification.

I get what you're saying. But, IMO, pressing the point and saying that she may as well be Forging at Night, is a case. And it just sounded ridiculous. The sentense he quoted, albeit a statement, sounds more frivolous than a serious declaration. Reminds me of myself in your game, when I tried to lynch someone for a joke-post.

Upon rereading, I come to be more and more suspicious of Pitchie and Phantom. I can see the twain awake at Night together. "Their swords and their councels may have two edges".... or something of that sort.

And it certainly makes it more difficult for villagers and wolves alike if they don't know the KD's identity. But especially villagers.

Edit: xed with Nerwen

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Also, it does depend a lot on the personality of the wolves– how ruthless, how confident at being able to win alone, etc. So I wouldn't say for certain that the Forge members would go all out to kill each other, only that they might.

Originally Posted by the phantom

I would love to do a reread of yesterday with the dwarf-eat-dwarf mentality in mind, but I'm too tired. I'll be around tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

That's for all of you who couldn't find a single KD clue. ^.^ We know now that he's not the KD, but for all we - and the wolves - kne yesterDay, he mighta been. Though this is the only KD hint I found, and it was said when votes were already starting to fall on him...

...but at a time where tp was still in the lead. But, come on, isn't that something that might be said about almost any D1 lynch, especially one with two competing bandwagons? Grasping for straws, I say.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Upon rereading, I come to be more and more suspicious of Pitchie and Phantom. I can see the twain awake at Night together. "Their swords and their councels may have two edges".... or something of that sort.

Well, I'm not quite as fond of tp's thinking toDay as I was yesterDay, but I still think we're dealing with an innocent evil genius in this game, not an evil evil one. But rest assured, we don't share any Nightly activities - neither work at the forge nor of a more recreational kind.

(x-ed from #181 down)

[Pitchwife]

Crap, somehow all my comments on the quotes from Nerwen and tp got lost in posting. I'll try to retrieve them.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Well, I'm not quite as fond of tp's thinking toDay as I was yesterDay, but I still think we're dealing with an innocent evil genius in this game, not an evil evil one. But rest assured, we don't share any Nightly activities - neither work at the forge nor of a more recreational kind.

No, I don't think you're a long-legged elven blonde, I'm not that nuts yet...

But I will not rest, and most definitely will not be assured, until I see my suspicions proven.

++Pitchie

Seriously, he said and did too many things with double-meanings that just smell like Forgery. I will probably have the chance to duck in again before the DL, but just in case I'm voting now. I doubt that anything will come up that will make me change my mind.

Edit: xed with Foley and TP

[Pitchwife]

So this is what I meant to post up there, plus an update:

Originally Posted by tp

I would love to do a reread of yesterday with the dwarf-eat-dwarf mentality in mind, but I'm too tired. I'll be around tomorrow.

If it makes you happy - but remember, as of yesterDay the Rules still were that the KD would be revealed at death, so I think Forge-on-Forge in yesterDay's voting would be unlikely, except if the lynchee didn't leave any trails to their packmates; but then, why get rid of them in the first place?
(Yesyes, I get what you're saying, and it would be gorgeous if we could just help the Forgers lynch each other, but it's just too good to be true.)

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Also, it does depend a lot on the personality of the wolves– how ruthless, how confident at being able to win alone, etc. So I wouldn't say for certain that the Forge members would go all out to kill each other, only that they might.

Yes. And I hope you'll take it as a compliment when I say that I can totally see you as the kind of player going for a lone victory and able to pull it off.
Which sort of fits you turn on G55, on whom you didn't say a word all yesterDay, other than sympathizing with her about first Days with tp (a bit like a loving wolf-mother comforting a shell-shocked cub?).

And, you know, although I didn't get around to commenting on it at the time, I wasn't at all comfortable with you yesterDay - first fishing for a Moddess-ruling against tp's plan, then, when that wasn't to be got, scattering some passing doubt on (IIRC) Bom, Boro, Eruhen and Findy without really going and committing anywhere, then disappearing. OK, if you couldn't come back for RL reasons, fine, but it all just fits the profile of a careful Forger who has come up against an unexpected problem and needs to reshuffle her cards.
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Oh, and now some people have started suspecting McCaber, there's a nice alternative to G55, so you won't have to vote her after all. Isn't that shiny?
Too bad I can't vote for the two of you together...