WW: LXXXVIII - Trouble in the Misty Mountains: Game Thread

[satansaloser2005]

Well....

1. You're actually around.
2. I trust your judgement.
3. You said that XYZ wasn't a very valid explanation, but hadn't given any other options.
4. I'm bored.

Also, how do I fit into the same category as the two slabs of freshly-cut meat? Neither of them even voted. A no-trace kill by definition leaves no trace. Elf, Kath, and I left a trace, and thus are not in the same MLT as the newbies. Just sayin'.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well you, for a start. And then there's Boro. And Sally, Greenie, Kit, Kath... all people I'd have chosen to knock off first.

Fair enough, maybe it would've been better if you'd have also said why, but whatever, let's leave it. It was just for the sake of seeing what you answer, one answer is enough.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

That is rhetorical? Or are you totally serious about Nerwen's kill list?

I don't know what you imagine under "totally serious", but yes, it was a serious question: I wanted an answer. Why not? Since Nerwen already mentioned it, I thought it was a good idea to ask her. First, it would have provided better background for her theory (I wanted to know who did she mean might be, in her opinion, on the same level with TEW and who not), second, obviously, because if she was a Wolf, she could have made some slip, or answered truthfully or untruthfully but something could be perhaps glimpsed from that... well, you never know.

TEW wouldn't make sense as a trailless kill. Even though he didn't give much a way, the two first time players could have been trailless, Greenie, Kath, sally too. So, I think Nerwen's point is if TEW was made as a trailless the fact that it was TEW says something. And not one of the others.

Either the wolf pack is a group that likes to lay low, but then again why not kill you, or Nerwen or me? That would probably leave a trail, but it's rather easy to manipulate the trail once the person's killed.

I understand what you mean if you mean what Nerwen says, I get it now. But as to what you just said here about manipulating the trail: Not really and not necessarily always. You see dead TEW, how can we know the point was not to try to confuse us with little or no trail, and leaving us to ponder e.g. those whom TEW was talking about? (Or was not talking about? Or...)

You are acting rather, hmm, simple-mindedly, I would say, as if you were not a seasoned player who should know how WW Night-talks often go: very often, the WWs don't really have much of a good target (unless they think that XY is "definitely" a Gifted and stuff like that), especially on early Nights, so it ends up like "Hey Joe, we are supposed to send the kill in an hour, so out of those remaining people we have, whom do we choose?" "I think let's kill TEW, he has a fair enough chance of being a Gifted and at the same time if it's not, it would be a no trace kill in any case, and on top of that it can point to whomever..." but at the same time, they almost said "let's lynch Juan Domingo Perez", since he was almost as good target as TEW. What I mean is: It is not usually that clear even for the WWs, like: "I think TEW is the Seer, the chance of him being one is 89%, whereas the next person in a row is, in my opinion, only 40% likely to be one!"

So:

Or TEW said/did something that tipped off he was a possible gifted, thus making him a more attractive target than the other no-trail kills. I guess what I'm saying is why can't it be both? TEW really doesn't leave a trail and was killed to try to set up you a/o Inzil. But the fact is, as little as the trail was, TEW left one, and whether he turned out gifted or not, there's got to be a reason TEW was a better no-trail target than others.

Yes, that is a part of it, but only one part. If I were to summarize what I think the kill was for, I would say the main point was no-trace. "Let us lay low. There are few players. If we stay low for a couple of days, we can win without any losses."

And what does it help us anyway, to know whether he was killed because the WWs thought him possibly more Gifted than, for example, me or Juan Domingo Perez over there?

I am not saying the WWs are not looking for Gifteds, I am sure they are, but they probably don't know anything very specific about them (otherwise, they'd already be dead).

And anyway, let me say once again, in my opinion, at this point this debate does not have much of a sense for the village. The knowledge (or, in fact, theory) that the WWs thought TEW 1% more Gifted than the rest of us does not really help the village in anything. If there was somebody shouting "I'm the Seer, I'm the Seer" all day and then next night the WWs won't attack him, now that would have been suspicious. But if we have only some vague notions, it is not of any help.

Sorry for probably writing it in a rather confusing way. But I think I have repeated myself several times, so the few main points should be apparent from there. Anyway, I think we should move on from "why was TEW killed", since I think we have revealed as much as we could, to "whom are we going to lynch".

EDIT: x-ed with Boro and Sally