WW: LXXXVIII - Trouble in the Misty Mountains: Game Thread

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

"know someone is on my side," it's not ambigious language like "trust" or a non-vote list of 5-6 people. (But it would explain why Kit was added onto the non-vote list later).

That's all on sally I'm doing for the day. Make of it what you will. I think her dreams were an innocent Kit and Kath.

I suppose that's a possibility for Sally's dreams, but I think it's a reach where Kit is concerned. That "on my side" comment just looks to me like an throwaway remark.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I'll buy the "more so than usual" feeling, because not to sound ego-tistical, but I think I'm right about sally's dreams. But this is exactly why I debated on whether I wanted to go through her posts to even find the dreams. Come on Greenie, you know I can find the seer hints with the best of them. If I don't do it, I'm a wolf because I normally do do it. If I do it, then I'm too sharp and I must have known already sally was the seer.

It's easy to pick up the trail in hindsight if you read it carefully. And the seer has no intentions at all to be confusing or misleading, it's just a process of following her votes and what sally posted. She wouldn't have dreamed of people she voted for (and it's pretty clear from her first post on Day 2 she didn't dream of TEW). She wouldn't put known dreamed wolves in her non-vote list, but would include dreamed innocents. I can assume well enough she didn't dream of me, because her trust was based upon my posts and judgement. She made no attempt to save Pitch.

Limit the options left and open your eyes to comments she made towards specific people and it's clear as day. Not to get all uptight, but this sort of stuff irks me. I'm not razor-sharp, I'm not brilliant, I'm following what's right in front of you.

Mmmn, well, I think Sally could have done with being a lot less ambiguous. I certainly hope you are right that she didn't dream TEW. (My thinking was that she made that comment about wanting to lynch him because at that point she didn't need to hint at his role, since he was dead.)

Regarding Kath: the argument in favour of her being the Night One dream is obvious. However, Sally didn't really react that much when there was talk of voting Kath on Day One, which is bugging me a bit. It may be simply that it never seemed that Kath was in real danger.

Although, I'd say Sally *herself* could have swung the lynch Kath's way, had she wanted to– which should be a final nail in the coffin of Legate's Pitch-theory.

Regarding which: look, I don't know what to make of Legate. On the one hand, he's been promoting a theory of events which would be most convenient for the evil side– i.e. that both Sally's dreams are already dead– and which even a quick look over the end of Day One should have discounted. On the other, he's certainly not acting anything like he normally does as a wolf. Thoughts?

[Kath]

Interjection of unhelpful real life: Just popping in for a moment. I'm in the midst of moving house and may not have reliable internet after the next 45 minutes. If I definitely can't get on I'll call my sister and ask her to let you all know. Hopefully all will be fine though!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I can't fully concentrate right now, so this post will be just short in regards to what I have seen...

Re: Nerwen: Sorry for sounding perhaps a bit aggressive, it was more like a threat in the way that I am not trusting my own shadow anymore. As for proposing "ridiculous" Pitch-dreamt of - theory, I did not connect the sally's comment with his lynching. Yet I still believe he was a possible dream, and certainly at least as logical as your Boro theory, or in fact, more: I repeat, Boro was not at Sally's trust-list on the second day. If she dreamt of him, that'd be a really poor Seer-job, illogical thing to do anyway (no reason to switch your opinions on innocents even if you e.g. wanted to hide yourself).

Otherwise, I am becoming more and more suspicious of Boro: he is really acting incredibly "Agreeable" in his later posts. As innocent, he is usually far more inquisitive, and really now he just is sort of honey-tongued. I could consider him for my vote.

Will be back later.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Legate

Re: Nerwen: Sorry for sounding perhaps a bit aggressive, it was more like a threat in the way that I am not trusting my own shadow anymore.

But you understand that I put forward that theory *before* Greenie pointed out the anomaly of Boro's being left off the list the second Day?

Originally Posted by Legate

Yet I still believe he was a possible dream, and certainly at least as logical as your Boro theory, or in fact, more: I repeat, Boro was not at Sally's trust-list on the second day.

Hang-on– you still believe it now? Have you read the counter-arguments, Legate?

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Boro

I'll buy the "more so than usual" feeling, because not to sound ego-tistical, but I think I'm right about sally's dreams. But this is exactly why I debated on whether I wanted to go through her posts to even find the dreams. Come on Greenie, you know I can find the seer hints with the best of them. If I don't do it, I'm a wolf because I normally do do it. If I do it, then I'm too sharp and I must have known already sally was the seer.

Hmmn. I think I called you scary, not suspicious, but the fact that you immediately thought I did is either very interesting, or else just means I need to learn to express myself more clearly.


EDIT: x-ed with Nerwen

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Otherwise, I am becoming more and more suspicious of Boro: he is really acting incredibly "Agreeable" in his later posts. As innocent, he is usually far more inquisitive, and really now he just is sort of honey-tongued. I could consider him for my vote.

Really? You keep saying I'm being Mr. Agreeable, but seriously, are you even reading my posts? What about them is so "agreeable?" The fact that I'm not being a big enough pain, jumping around like a madman demanding everyone listen to me? Sorry to disappoint you, but I see no point in going off half-cocked, all but begging to be lynched.

I'm going to fight my need of getting the last word to prove something. If you want to reply, go for it, but as far as I'm concerned, I'm not getting into a flame war with you. If you find me suspicious, so be it, but you better bring the suspicions instead of this baseless Mr. Agreeable business. Maybe I should question your innocence more, but right now it won't do any good, to let the frustration get in the way of a fair Legate-analysis. But if you are innocent, I'm no longer listening nor trusting your opinion.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Hmmn. I think I called you scary, not suspicious, but the fact that you immediately thought I did is either very interesting, or else just means I need to learn to express myself more clearly.

Be clearer then or don't back away and act like you meant nothing by it. Scary is like saying weird, strange, and odd. All words that are meant to convey someone acting suspicious, but scary sounds more of a serious suspicion. At least that's how I interpret it.

It gets me frustrated when I think it's mostly innocent intention driving it. Because we get so clouded by it all it leads to is both of us putting on blinders, getting angry and innocents lynching innocents. I guess it's the pains of the reputation, to want to be trusted, but everyone knows you're capable of straight out manipulation.

Rest assured, I am done getting bothered by all this, upcoming is the analysis I on Inzil I started yesterday, but got distracted by a hunter going off the deep end.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Boro

Be clearer then or don't back away and act like you meant nothing by it. Scary is like saying weird, strange, and odd. All words that are meant to convey someone acting suspicious, but scary sounds more of a serious suspicion. At least that's how I interpret it.

It gets me frustrated when I think it's mostly innocent intention driving it. Because we get so clouded by it all it leads to is both of us putting on blinders, getting angry and innocents lynching innocents. I guess it's the pains of the reputation, to want to be trusted, but everyone knows you're capable of straight out manipulation.

All right. We interpret the word 'scary' differently. I refuse to start an argument over something like this. If that means I'm 'backing off', then fine, maybe I am.