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Haunting Spirit
Join Date: Dec 2011
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The fate of the Elves sounds rather cruel...That if they stayed they'd forget their own natures and be relegated to caves and hidden places. They were the most beautiful of ME's peoples, and seemingly the wisest and purest in nature. However, you make it sound like if they did go to the Undying Lands they would retain the full beauty and glory of their nature...Am I correct in reading it that way? I feel sort of sad that Frodo and the other non-immortal members of the Fellowship could not be granted eternal life...I would think that would be a just reward for their troubles, sorrows and sacrifices in helping to save Middle Earth. Knowing that Gandalf would continue to exist forever is comforting, though (he is, next to Bilbo, my favorite character in both The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings) Which leads me to another question: What happens to regular spirits (as in the spirit of a Hobbit or a Dwarf, etc) when they die? I know Saruman's spirit was left to wander Middle Earth as a powerless shade forever, I suppose as punishment for his continued treachery and malice. But what of lesser spirits, where do they go when the physical body dies in Tolkien's cosmology? And what about Smeagol? I wonder if his poor soul ever found peace.... |
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Blossom of Dwimordene
Join Date: Oct 2010
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I second Inzil's welcome. Have a pleasant stay at the Downs, TheLostPilgrim!
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Men are not bound to the world. Their fear leave it upon death to go to the One. Mortality is a gift to them from him - the lves don't get to leave the world, even when they get tired. I believe there was some discussion on a different thread about what exactly happened to Saruman's fea. There were many arguments, but one thing in common was that he was not allowed to return to the Undying Lands. Gandalf was the opposite - when he died on Zirakzigil his fea went to Valinor (the Undying Lands), and was sent back to finish his mission. I hope this answered some of your questions without making your head hurt. ![]() ![]()
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Gruesome Spectre
Join Date: Dec 2000
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Saruman was a special case. He was not mortal, but an immortal "angel" of the same order as Gandalf. He was indeed exiled as a punishment for his deeds in Middle-earth, though ultimately I think he would have been recalled to the Undying Lands to "face the music" , so to speak. Quote:
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Gruesome Spectre
Join Date: Dec 2000
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I think Sam went because of his devotion to Frodo, maybe to erase any traces of evil left by the Ring on him, and a desire to be in the most "Elvish" place in the world when he died. And Gimli? Friendship with Legolas, and a desire to see Galadriel again.
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