TIG XCIV– WHere the Stars Are Strange (Game thread)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Pomegranate

Oh no! I guess this means one thing - Eonwe, you'll be dead after toNight, so it would be worthy of getting your one ordo.

I actually suggest first NOT. Keep everyone (especially the WWs, therefore) in the dark until the end of the Day - or until most people really have to start voting, at least (=e.g. if people started to suspect you one Ordo heavily, Eönwë, you should stop them and reveal the person) - because if you don't say that yet, the WWs can be confused, we can possibly read more from their reactions... Nobody will kill you until the end of the Day, right, so no hurry with that.

Legate. I was looking at him yesterday thinking, there's no reason an innocent person would react to Eonwe's revelation like that. I mean, yes, you can question that, you can 'not be sure' but if you don't know more than an ordo, I can see NO reason why you would dare that much with the life of our Seer. The only reason I could think for you acting like that would have been if you had been the real Seer and tried to save Nog without being exposed yourself. Now that we can be sure that's not the case, I don't think there's any explanation Legate could give that would make him less wolf-like in my head.

Well it was similar - I suspected Eönwë so heavily at the moment he revealed that I thought his revelation MUST be fake, so I thought the real Seer is probably still somewhere, and wanted to make it so that the real Seer wouldn't have to counter-reveal yet, because that's what I thought Eönwë had intended (along with saving himself - there was no real logical reason for him to pretend to be the Seer if he was a Wolf. I thought he was a lame scared Wolf who lost his nerves seeing he's getting heavy suspicion and probably getting lynched, and so he tried to save his skin for at least one Day AND drag the Seer along with him. As you see, that would make perfect sense).

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Though first you suggested waiting until the end of the Day.

Eönwë, read it:

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I actually suggest first NOT. Keep everyone (especially the WWs, therefore) in the dark until the end of the Day - or until most people really have to start voting, at least (=e.g. if people started to suspect you one Ordo heavily, Eönwë, you should stop them and reveal the person) - because if you don't say that yet, the WWs can be confused, we can possibly read more from their reactions... Nobody will kill you until the end of the Day, right, so no hurry with that.

Here - bolding mine. I had the same thing in mind from the beginning: before the first people (likely Americans) have to vote (that "you" in the bracket is of course a typo, should be "your").

Working on Nogalysis now... will post shortly.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I don't want to think I'm basically OMGUSing Legate here - I might be, certainly, but he's seemed completely (not a bit, not some, pretty much completely) off to me since the beginning.

I have to admit to not remembering what OMGUS means, but I do seem to recall you suspecting Legate on Day 1, based at least in part on his interactions with me regarding the Acolyte.
However, I don't know if that really gels with your focus now on me as the Acolyte!

Originally Posted by A Little Green

A question that isn't even rhetorical but a serious one I'd like an answer for: why the blazes is everyone discussing the flipping acolyte? Has everyone forgotten we have wolves to catch? A dead wolf whose relationships with people we could go through? Yes, we shouldn't forget about the acolyte, but debating about her/him to this extent makes no sense. Not when we really have more substantial food for thought and discussion.

A question I've had for some time.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Boro and Zil look pretty innocent to me now, Legate and Shasta are weird (that obsession on the acolyte is not natural even for Shasta who can be a little single-minded at times ), Pitch is under my radar and I have a vague bad feeling about Pom. I will need to reread and think more, maybe make a list.

I don't know about Boro. He feels less "natural" for him toDay than he did yesterDay. I'm used to an innocent Boro being a cunning, bold wolf-hunter and I really haven't seen that.

Pitch is just sort of hanging around in the background. He's not someone I could vote for toDay, I don't think, but I really need to go back and look at his stuff thus far.

As for Legate and Shasta, I still feel like I could vote either toDay.

Legate didn't do himself any favors in my eyes by his reaction to Steve, and for the life of me I can't understand Shasta. The focus on the Acolyte is one thing, but there's also that he seems so certain it's me. Like I said before, if the Acolyte is truly playing only for xemself, it's a lot more a shot in the dark to find xem than it is team players like wolves.
If those two are in the same pack, the wolf-on-wolf has been masterful.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

NOGALYSIS:

Day 1

- using the "random vote" argument to stir his own soup
- Greenie "might be up to something"
- Lottie "not too comfortable with"
- "something bothers" him about Pitch
- bothered about Boro the way he "painted G55 suspicious"
- agreeing with me a lot on several things
- larger and more focus on Lottie
- happy to lynch Bom
- he says he had tried to write a post on Zil two times and always decided not to post it - "you make me mad Zil!" (#122)
- does not believe in the guilt of Lommy (based on evidence) - sort of defense
- is "torn on principle" after Shasta's suggestion of Bom
- says he considers for voting: G55 or Boro, possibly Eruhen - or go with Shasta and vote Bom
- votes Bom
- says seems like he parroted almost everything I had said

Day 2

- short excursion about Acolyte
- explains how yesterDay sudden Lommywagon raised his eyebrows and made him wary
- analysis of Rikae after her death: says she suspected Zil, Steve, been "engaged with Lottie and nasty with G55"
- rebukes Pitch for being wise on hindsight (about Bom-lynch)
- retrospectively says he wanted to originally think of options between Bom, Boro and G55, and he did not want to vote Lommy by any means
- some hunter-thoughts about Zil or Boro maybe not being WWs if Rikae had hunted them, but he's being rather confused about that
- suspicions against Steve and G55. By the way, I think here might also be part of the reason for G55's death toNight: the WWs saw Nog was against her, so after he died, people might consider G55 innocent...
- again making it more hazy about whether Zil or Boro were Rikae's targets, whether they are WWs and she miscalculated, or are not... basically he's making the whole matter mysterious (which won't hurt him, I would think that at least one of his fellows is somehow in there - Boro or Zil, not sure if he'd talk specifically about them if it was them both)
- arguing with Boro, arguing with Pitch, suspecting G55...
- then a list!!! Great. Not sure what to make of it, though. Tends to trust Greenie somewhat, me somewhat; normal feelings from Lommy (nothing for or against) and something positive-seeming about Pomegranate. Vileness about Pitch, no ideas about Lottie, Sally, Shasta (no show until then). Mess with Boro, suspicion of G55. Enigmatic Zil-acolyte, we all know the story.
- from then on: Seer has revealed. Turns against Steve, G55 and slightly Boro.
- continues on "Zil is acolyte" until the very end.

This all leads me to believe:

1. Lottie is innocent (further supports my belief in that, I am now almost 100% sure she is innocent)

2. I am not sure what to make of Nog's attitude to Lommy, honestly that goes absolutely over my head, might be this, might be that...

3. Not sure about Greenie - there was the original slight suspicion, but later nothing; might be a packmate (small W-on-W and then nothing)

4. Now after reading this - I know that it will again sound like I am going purposefully against you, Shasta - after reading this, it's really weird that Shasta was the one person who followed the idea to lynch Zil and what more, that he is Acolyte. However, when I read what Shasta had said on his very voting post, it would again take a lot of boldness from a Wolf to do that. So basically the same thing as the first Day. Either Shasta is incredibly bold this game and now he has to stick to the role he had prepared for himself (promoting the thought that we have evil Zil Acolyte and need to get rid of him), or then he genuinely believes that (but then he was really jumping to completely unfounded assumptions).

5. As everything with Zil in this game, it is too hard to determine what he was thinking: whether Zil was a packmate and he was making a mess about the acolyte thing and later Nog wanted to (since he was a goner anyway) accuse a fellow Wolf; or whether Zil was innocent, Nog randomly went on with this Acolyte thing and then after he was revealed as Wolf, simply continued to accuse him in order to confuse us. Somehow, after thinking about it, I think the latter sounds more likely.

6. I have no idea what to make out of his interactions with Boro

7. being nice to Pomegranate - might be just echoing the agreeing posts, but of course might be packmates too

8. I would say it makes Pitch look better that Nog suspected him - though again, he never really voted him, so I think somebody should look at Pitch, too (he's a submarine, anyway) - not sure if toDay, but for future reference, for sure!

9. General thought about Wolf mentality: I would believe there is at least one Wolf among those Nog had not been talking much about. It is after all always better not to have to state your opinion on somebody, as it does not connect you in either way, positively or negatively.

Not sure how much this is helpful, but at least some more food for thought in general.

Btw: Was it Nog who had come up with that "Zil is Acolyte" stuff or was it somebody else before him, too? Does anybody remember?

EDIT: x-ed with Zil