TIG XCIV– WHere the Stars Are Strange (Game thread)

[Pomegranate]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

No. No. No. Because then I'm just revealing them for the wolves, and they don't get the opportunity to go all out as a person totally free from suspicion. I'm sorry, but all the suggestions you've made about who to reveal when are ones that are detrimental to the village, disguised as a concerned remark. In fact, I still think that you're the most likely to be a wolf.

Referred to this. There has been three nights - that would leave you with one ordo, Nog and G55.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Pomegranate

Referred to this. There has been three nights - that would leave you with one ordo, Nog and G55.

I can't dream everyone I suspect, can I? I only get one pick per Night.

edit: And I didn't suspect them enough to dream them anyway.

[Pomegranate]

Eonwe: exactly. Three nights leave you with three names: Nog, G55 and an ordo. But you talk about revealing "them" - though there's only one person for you to reveal. (To be honest, I don't know if this actually matters, it was just a side note, but now it's annoying not to be understood)

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Pomegranate

Eonwe: exactly. Three nights leave you with three names: Nog, G55 and an ordo. But you talk about revealing "them" - though there's only one person for you to reveal. (To be honest, I don't know if this actually matters, it was just a side note, but now it's annoying not to be understood)

Oh, "them". I meant xem. Sorry.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Legate

That's basically what I think too. I never believed for a second that the Acolyte would be simply a Werebear, or anything that would kill every Night. If it had anything to do with the Acolyte, anyway.

I thought the narration was pretty clear on that fact, myself. Unless a "shadowy figure" isn't supposed to be suspicious.

Originally Posted by Pom

And one thing I'd like to know is where did we decide that Inzil is the acolyte and the acolyte is bad? I mean, Nog started it, obviously to get us away from himself, but besides him I think Legate (which doesn't really surprise me) and Shasta went along with it. How were you so sure, Shasta? That does make you look a lot worse in my head, at least until you explain (as well as the fact you wanted to try for double-lynch, which is scary business in general).

1. Inzil was hinting at something during Day 1. If you'll remember, Rikae mentioned it quite blatantly.

2. Nog's points about it. The fact that he was a wolf doesn't really matter - the Acolyte doesn't count for the innocents or the wolves; plus, every indication was that the Acolyte was some type of Werebear, with the Eruhen kill. Wolves have an interest in getting rid of the Werebear - besides that the Werebear could kill them at night, something they aren't usually worried about, the Wolves and Werebear traditionally cannot win together. I don't think Nog's points about Inzil being the Acolyte should be discounted just because he was a wolf.

3. (and really the best point) - He hasn't denied it. Every time the subject has gotten a little too close to someone asking him directly, Inzil has either avoided the question or changed the subject.

Now then, what was so scary about wanting to double lynch Nog (a Seer-dreamt wolf) and Inzil (who I'm convinced is the Acolyte, and want to lynch)? Let's look at the votes from yesterday -

Originally Posted by The Votes

Eonwe - Greenie (Eonwe 1)
Pom - Legate (Eonwe 1, Legate 1)
(Eonwe's reveal)
Inzil - Nog (Eonwe 1, Legate 1, Nog 1)
Lottie - Nog (Eonwe 1, Legate 1, Nog 2)
Nog - Eonwe (Eonwe 2, Legate 1, Nog 2)
G55 - Nog (Eonwe 2, Legate 1, Nog 3)
Sally - Nog (Eonwe 2, Legate 1, Nog 4)
Boro - Nog (Eonwe 2, Legate 1, Nog 5)
Shasta - Inzil (Eonwe 2, Legate 1, Nog 5, Inzil 1)
Eonwe - Nog (Eonwe 2, Legate 1, Nog 6, Inzil 1)
Lommy - Nog (Eonwe 2, Legate 1, Nog 7, Inzil 1)
Legate - Nog (Eonwe 2, Legate 1, Nog 8, Inzil 1)
Pitch - Nog (Eonwe 2, Legate 1, Nog 9, Inzil 1)

When I voted Inzil, Nog had 5 votes. Therefore, even if every person after me had voted Inzil, Nog would still have been lynched along with him.

Which, coincidentally, renders this point by Legate -

Originally Posted by Legate

BUT on second thought, no, really not - we should preferably try to vote for the same person in order to avoid a multiple lynch (or in the worst case, lynching the Seer along!!!!!!) - so in this light, Shasta's suggestion would really not look very good.

I mean, we don't know how many WWs have voted already, but given that there are FOUR of them, they could still steer the lynch in the way that there will be a double-lynch, even lynching Steve! So we should try avoid making it a possibility.

- utter bollocks, if you'll pardon the saying. Sure, the other three wolves could have voted Eonwe. That would just have required manipulation of the space-time continuum (at the point Legate said this, it was just him and Pitch left to vote), and would have put Eonwe at 5 and Nog at 6. Brilliant!

...Wait, what?

Originally Posted by Legate

He did not say it maybe, but he was playing with it dangerously by putting the second line of votes there.

See above.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Conclusions from above - I think Inzil is the Acolyte, I would ideally like to get rid of him before he can kill again, and some things Legate have said have been so far off the mark and unlike how I know Legate to act that it's basically Nog vol. II to my eyes at the moment.

(That is to say, I thought Nog was suspicious for defending G55's outburst, in total counter to how he would normally act, and now Legate, normally quite sensible, has been acting very crazy.)

[satansaloser2005]

So let me get this straight. So far, I've suspected the hunter (Rikae, on Day 1), the ranger (Galadriel, on Day every Day so far), the seer (Steve, see Galadriel), and one wolf (Nog, on Day 2).

Well, at least my gifted radar is still intact. >.<

Anyway, following this logic, and this lack of luck, Dun, Pitch, or Legate (my top pick) must be the Acolyte, and the other two wolves.


Or, as they say in Limerick....

I seem to suspect those with skills
Who then tend to be Nightly kills
Does this mean that Dun
Is really The One
Or one who ate Nerwen for thrills?


EDIT: x'd with two Shastas. Heyo.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Anyway, following this logic, and this lack of luck, Dun, Pitch, or Legate (my top pick) must be the Acolyte, and the other two wolves.

What?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

What?

What? What's that face for? *blinks* Oh, I see. Fair enough, I suppose. I meant that one of them must be the Acolyte, while the other two are probably wolves. (Although good on you, mate. If I'd been a wolf, I would have omitted the comma there, the one between Acolyte and the wolves. Sharp eye, even though in this case it means nothing.)


Or, as they say in Limerick....

I see Steve-O has his eyes peeled
For anything we might reveal
Though my posts are bare
Of all lupine hair
I still must admire his zeal

[Boromir88]

Lovely, now the Ranger.

At least there's one dead wolf to follow, sometimes once we get that first one, the rest start falling. And Nog certainly leaves a lot of stuff to wade through. I only wish you didn't feel like you had to reveal yesterday. I mean, I understand why you did, but I was hoping if people could just stop and see Nog was acting completely irrational/paranoid whenever someone started suspecting him, that he was being far from the thoughtful, considerate Nog. But that post crossed with your reveal, and I threw my hands up, because my immediate reaction was...Seriously Eonwe? all that time I just spent on Nog...wasted.

Originally Posted by Pom

This didn't get too serious because after that Shasta left - however, there it is, trying to lure us at least a bit into the idea.

I'm rather suspicious of Shasta, but not for tossing out the double-lynch idea. Not all double-lynches are bad (my very first game the village won because of an orchestrated multiple like 5-person lynch...it was brilliant and just shows the brilliance of innocents when we can band together. But yeah, most double-lynches aren't orchestrated by innocents, rather happen randomly due to cross-voting messes or hijacked by wolves.

It's what Shasta said about my vote:

Also, Boro? Your most recent post? Looks exactly like Glirdywolf from the Alice in Wonderland game of Wilwa's - you know, the one where it turned out he really was a wolf who was that eager to bus a packmate. Not really helping your case there, buddy.

First off, I have no idea how I'm supposed to remember what Glirdan did in some other game years ago. Maybe I'm a stickler for this stuff, but that snipe doesn't sit well with me. "Looks exactly like Glirdywolf"...right "exactly" and since Glirdan bused the death of a packmate in some other game, I'm doing exactly the same now?

Look, everyone knows I have no problem getting packmates lynched when I'm a wolf. You don't have to reference another person, in a game years ago, and say "it's exactly the same!" to make this point. That comment just didn't sit well, because it's another over the top reaction..."Look everyone! Look what Boro is doing! It's exactly like another wolf, in this other game!"

Also, I find it rather curious this acolyte-focus similarity from Nog and Shasta yesterday. Nog, to save himself, tried to make us turn against the acolyte. Which, well might have worked since the role is still extremely mysterious. But try following Nog's argument and it made absolutely no sense. If he was an ordo (like he was trying to argue yesterday) there was just no way he could know what side the acolyte is on and what actions/powers the acolyte had.

A wolf wouldn't know either, but the very fact he argued the Acolyte must have been with the wolves, means the wolves have probably entertained the idea of trying to find the acolyte/turn the acolyte to their side. Now that we know Nog is a wolf, it would appear, based on his argument yesterday, the acolyte in fact is not on the wolf team yet. I don't know if the acolyte is on any team, could be on the acolyte team, but for the time being we can't get into these circular debates about what's the acolyte's role and what side he's on. We don't know, but it appears, based on Nog's posting yesterday, the wolves don't know either.

And now, what I find curious, is Shasta tried a more subtle sew distrust about the acolyte yesterday.

Seriously? Guys. Look at the Eruhen kill. It's pretty clear at this point that the Acolyte, if not a traditional werebear, at least has the power to kill by himself (I say him because Nog being a wolf doesn't mean his points about Inzil being the Acolyte aren't valid - I've thought so myself since yesterday, as did Rikae apparently).

Nog is a wolf. Fine. Lynch him tomorrow. Lynching one wolf out of four isn't going to have any short-term effects - if we lynch Inzil (who clearly, at this point, doesn't have the best interests of the village in mind), we drop the number of kills per night to one.

(bolding my emphasis)

Based Nog being ousted yesterday he tried the "hit us over the head" approach. "The acolyte is clearly on the wolf team! And I'm innocent, so even though I can't possibly know what the acolyte is doing, he's clearly for the wolves and we're all going to die tomorrow if you lynch me."

Shasta, tries to do the same, only not so "bash you over the head" with it approach. He accepts Nog's a wolf, but doesn't vote based on that, and instead tries to sew seeds of doubt about the acolyte. Again, who can possibly know this?

And I must ask, who would benefit more from trying to make us doubt the allegiance of the acolyte? I'm not saying maybe the acolyte is against us, I'm just saying I don't know. But I accept I don't know and I leave it at that. It would appear Nog (and therefor the wolves) don't know either, but that also means the Acolyte isn't on their side either. So, who then would benefit trying to get us to turn attention and lynch the acolyte? (Yes. That's a rhetorical question)

Edit: crossed since Eonwe's post #300

[Eönwë]

Also, I'd like to say that I find it likely that if the Acolyte did kill Eru (We still haven't definitely had it stated that it wasn't a requested modfire, for example), then that means they probably chose the good side. I mean, Eru's "I'm here but I'll just watch" doesn't look too great.

Also, I've just realised that if the Acolyte can choose what they do (i.e. between seer, ranger and kill) each Night, they can still protect me. If it's cyclical, then then they can't.