Meeting at the Town Cobbler (WW XCV game thread)

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I'm also a bit confused about your vote, Inzil. All's well that ends well and everything, but you'd expressed a desire to tie the votes earlier, and then broke the tie, explaining it by saying you trusted Mac. What was that about?

I might have been a cross-post, but well 2 minute difference on the thread can range from 1.01 minutes to 2.59 minutes so it is hard to say. (EDIT: Or wait a minute... it is anyway not exact but at least between 1.31-2.29)

How is it Inzil? Was it a cross post or did you wish to get wilwa lynched?

Also another question to you Zil. You were clearly around at the DL between lastnightHour and thisHour, but you didn't feel the need to say anything before thisHour began and someone will/could be dead. It looked more like you waited for thisHour to begin and then posted something.

Can I ask what made you so sure you will not be dead and everything or anything you would have wished to say (as your testament, if one wishes to put it that way) would remain unvoiced forever? I mean sure you had thought about things after your last visit and if you were killed by the wolves (removed by the committee) your words would have been listened to - not as infallible truths but - as a POV of an innocent. You know full well who can be secure not to die during the Nights...


On an other issue that springs to my mind at this moment...

Rikae wished to vote and make a difference but failed to do so. Mac wished to make a tie and managed to get a wolf lynched... Talk about the difference between words and deeds.


Okay. Back to reading.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I might have been a cross-post, but well 2 minute difference on the thread can range from 1.01 minutes to 2.59 minutes so it is hard to say. (EDIT: Or wait a minute... it is anyway not exact but at least between 1.31-2.29)

How is it Inzil? Was it a cross post or did you wish to get wilwa lynched?

An x-post with who? Mac? If so, the answer is no. I voted for Wilwa after seeing Mac's vote, with the intention of making a vote that counted.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Also another question to you Zil. You were clearly around at the DL between lastnightHour and thisHour, but you didn't feel the need to say anything before thisHour began and someone will/could be dead. It looked more like you waited for thisHour to begin and then posted something.

I haven't posted anything until now? Really? You might want to recheck that.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Can I ask what made you so sure you will not be dead and everything or anything you would have wished to say (as your testament, if one wishes to put it that way) would remain unvoiced forever? I mean sure you had thought about things after your last visit and if you were killed by the wolves (removed by the committee) your words would have been listened to - not as infallible truths but - as a POV of an innocent. You know full well who can be secure not to die during the Nights...

"Testament"? Oh! Well in that case, Wagner's Tannhäuser is my favorite piece of music, MST3K is a very funny TV show, and oatmeal made with whole milk, cinnamon, and blueberries is a very delicious breakfast!

Really, what were you looking for?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I haven't posted anything until now? Really? You might want to recheck that.

I don't know whether this makes you look better or worse... but you clearly didn't get what I was trying to say (so was that intentional or are you honestly puzzled?).

I didn't say that you haven't posted anything until now. No and no.

What I meant was this.

If you are an innocent you don't know whether you see the dawn of the next Day or not, as you don't know whether the wolves kill you or not (sorry about lapsing back to this more familiar werewolf-language, but I'm trying to make myself clear without ambiguity). The wolves, on the contrary, know they will be alive the next Day as they do the killing (except in some special games with special circumstances).

So if we now had the possibility to speak out before the DL (from Night to Day) and you were around, why were you not concerned whether the DL brings news about your death and thus shuts your mouth for the rest of the game? Wasn't there anything you wished to say as your parting words if they did kill you? We would have listened closely to the words of an proven innocent (even if they're not infallible, they are honest).

Remember, the wolves need not to fear that but they can just sit back and relax and wait for the DL to pass - they possibly didn't even come to think that for the innocents that DL is a question of an uncertain life and death as to them it is no big deal... hmm...

Do you see now what I meant?

[Rikae]

Nog, while that might be true in an ordinary game, it's my understanding that here if Inzil were night killed he would be able to make a statement (to someone)!

There was also a bit of discussion about why nighttime discussion wouldn't be wise. You seem to be reaching a bit here, to be honest.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I don't know whether this makes you look better or worse... but you clearly didn't get what I was trying to say (so was that intentional or are you honestly puzzled?).

I didn't see what you were getting at before, no.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So if we now had the possibility to speak out before the DL (from Night to Day) and you were around, why were you not concerned whether the DL brings news about your death and thus shuts your mouth for the rest of the game? Wasn't there anything you wished to say as your parting words if they did kill you? We would have listened closely to the words of an proven innocent (even if they're not infallible, they are honest).

Well, I really had nothing of note to say. Simple as that.

x/d with Rikae and Lottie

[Inziladun]

The latest from Rikae and Lottie aside, I've also had the sense Nog is rather reaching this Hour. There was also, as has been noted, the uncertainty sown by questioning whether the committee knew one another when the game began. I guess I can see an innocent wondering about that, but it would also be an excellent way for a baddie to take away any aura of goodness from Mac and me after we'd killed their fellow.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rikae

There was also a bit of discussion about why nighttime discussion wouldn't be wise. You seem to be reaching a bit here, to be honest.

Originally Posted by Lottie

Zil and Mac talked about that, didn't they? Something about not wanting to give the committee members a good idea of how the next Day would go

Yes. But you seem to have forgotten the point of that discussion.

What was the problem of talking too much during hte Night? The fact that the wolves can PM on the base of that as they are allowed to do that during the Night. RIght?

But if you post something at the last minute before the Day begins there is no way they have time to react to that by PM'ing each other.

[Inziladun]

I won't be here at DL, so I'll need to vote in a bit.

Right now I'm thinking Eönwë or Nog.

Steve, because of his vote, and a general feeling of trying to keep out of the spotlight, and Nog for trying to connect dots that are miles apart.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I won't be here at DL, so I'll need to vote in a bit.

Right now I'm thinking Eönwë or Nog.

Steve, because of his vote, and a general feeling of trying to keep out of the spotlight, and Nog for trying to connect dots that are miles apart.

I would be on board with a Nog lynch. But isn't DL in ten minutes?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Loslote

I would be on board with a Nog lynch. But isn't DL in ten minutes?

Yep. But I have to leave momentarily.

x/d with Nog

[Nogrod]

Why is it that you people turn in ten minutes before the DL?

If you're going to play that way in the future, then please lynch me and get me out from this miserable game where trying turns into suspicion by those who turn in at the last minute.

I mean this is quite pathetic indeed.

[Nogrod]

Haha. I've actually never done this before!

++ Nogrod


EDIT: Good Hours...

EDIT2: forgot highlighting

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Why is it that you people turn in ten minutes before the DL?

If you're going to play that way in the future, then please lynch me and get me out from this miserable game where trying turns into suspicion by those who turn in at the last minute.

I mean this is quite pathetic indeed.

Mondays are bad for me. The DL is 6:00pm, and I have classes all day (and another in a couple of hours, too, which I have to prepare for during my free time). The weekend would have been better, but I forgot I was playing. The next few days should be much better, and I'll have more time to participate.

EDIT: xed with Nog and Zil

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Wasn't there anything you wished to say as your parting words if they did kill you? We would have listened closely to the words of an proven innocent (even if they're not infallible, they are honest).

Right. Because at the end of one, very quiet Day, Zil is going to have discovered who all the committee people are through his mad skills of deduction, and would impart this wisdom to us during the Night. Somehow, I have a feeling Zil's not telling us this wisdom has less to do with his not fearing Night-kill and more to do with his not having it yet.

EDIT: xed with Zil and Nog

[Nogrod]

It seems Aganzir is not playing! (look at the disc. thread)

So what we actually have right now is 6 vs. 2

Rikae
Lottie
Shasta
Dun
Greenie
Nog
Mac
Steve

If we get the lynch wrong thisHour and the committee members manage to oust one more the nextHour it will be 4 vs. 2. Thas as such is not the red-light marker, but I don't like the way our numbers dwindle even if we manage to kill the wolves (remember that game where the villagers killed a wolf every Day and still lost?).

But the bigger problem right now I think is the power of two votes together the wolves can produce - especially as we seem to have these more or less non-participating players as well. *coughShastaLottiecough*

Luckily this "if you do not vote in two consecutive Hours, your vote will be cast randomly" -rule might after all save us...

But it would be much better if people voted instead of leaving it to that kind of random.


I see Zil has posted...

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Also another question to you Zil. You were clearly around at the DL between lastnightHour and thisHour, but you didn't feel the need to say anything before thisHour began and someone will/could be dead. It looked more like you waited for thisHour to begin and then posted something.

Can I ask what made you so sure you will not be dead and everything or anything you would have wished to say (as your testament, if one wishes to put it that way) would remain unvoiced forever? I mean sure you had thought about things after your last visit and if you were killed by the wolves (removed by the committee) your words would have been listened to - not as infallible truths but - as a POV of an innocent. You know full well who can be secure not to die during the Nights...

Zil and Mac talked about that, didn't they? Something about not wanting to give the committee members a good idea of how the next Day would go, and in doing so giving them room to make a mistake. It made sense at the time, and while I can see why you might not have remembered that particular part of the game and thus not realized that Zil had already explained himself, I'm really not comfortable with you trying to make it into an argument against him. Actually, I'm really not comfortable with you continuously bring up your "point" against Mac, either - you kept saying the same phrase, "bold and beautiful", to describe possible wolf-on-wolvery. Now, once is understandable - everyone gets doubts about possible wolf-on-wolvery - but to bring it up again when you don't have any new evidence to back it up?

EDIT: xed with Nog and Rikae