Three Times The Hobbit?

[Lalwendë]

Originally Posted by alatar

Be sure to verify that your figurines are pudding-safe.

Lalwendë's Legolas-in-pudding experiment

I'm looking forwards to doing this with a Tauriel figure. She can only prove herself as a genuine Elf if she can walk on custard. Though I might be vindictive and use onion gravy.

I have a gen-you-wine Gandalf staff carved about 12 years ago at the local Renaissance Festival.

I made my own, from a Beech branch I found in the woods, and then sat by a moorland stream whittling it with my penknife! The best part about this was that passing hikers thought this was all perfectly normal behaviour and even looked fairly impressed.

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by Lalwendë

I made my own, from a Beech branch I found in the woods, and then sat by a moorland stream whittling it with my penknife! The best part about this was that passing hikers thought this was all perfectly normal behaviour and even looked fairly impressed.

I have another staff that I carved myself from the branch of a corkscrew willow (very cool tree if you've ever seen one) from one of my properties. It's over 6 feet long (nearly as tall as me!), but willow wood is exceedingly light but strong, so I've actually hiked with it. And the convoluted twists of the wood as it winds from top to bottom makes it look...ummm...twisted. Serpentine even.

[Mumriken]

I made my own, from a Beech branch I found in the woods, and then sat by a moorland stream whittling it with my penknife! The best part about this was that passing hikers thought this was all perfectly normal behaviour and even looked fairly impressed.

I have another staff that I carved myself from the branch of a corkscrew willow (very cool tree if you've ever seen one) from one of my properties. It's over 6 feet long (nearly as tall as me!), but willow wood is exceedingly light but strong, so I've actually hiked with it. And the convoluted twists of the wood as it winds from top to bottom makes it look...ummm...twisted. Serpentine even.

-__- I wonder...if this was what Tolkien had in mine writing his books, grown men carving walking sticks. loool

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by Mumriken

-__- I wonder...if this was what Tolkien had in mine writing his books, grown men carving walking sticks. loool

It is "had in mind", not "mine". Oh, the poor spelling and grammar habits of children these days.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Mumriken

-__- I wonder...if this was what Tolkien had in mine writing his books, grown men carving walking sticks. loool

Probably more highly than grown ups who decided they could find the real treasure of Smaug if they Blockbustered Tolkien's books into Hollywood movies. After all, Jackson read it once and it was a "cool" story...must be a "cool" film too.

And it's not like Tolkien wasn't himself a bit of an eccentric personality, especially to the students who had him and recalled some of his famous readings of Beowulf.

[Rumil]

So, three films huh!

Regardless of your fears and forebodings of PJ-isms.

What should be in them, and what do you think will be in them?

With Lal's scrolly zoomy thing here http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=18011

it looks as if the first will be 'The Hobbit, An Unexpected Journey' following the plot of The Hobbit reasonably well, judging by the images, from the start up to 'Barrels out of Bond'. The only bit not in the book so far is a meeting between Gandalf, Galadriel and Elrond, likely a meeting of the White Council. So far so good. I'm happy to see wolves that look like wolves and the 'G for Grand' rune on Bilbo's door at any rate.

This also means that The Hobbit Trilogy doesn't start before The Hobbit (which sounds odd but it might have done if the appendices were really strip-mined) though no doubt there will be all sorts of flash-backs to Smaug devastating Erebor, Galadriel being portentous etc.

So what is left for the second and third films? From The Hobbit it's Esgaroth (though exactly where film 1 ends I don't know) the Lonely Mountain, the death of Smaug and the Battle of the Five Armies. This could all be fitted quite neatly into one film. How can it make two?

I'd bet on the White Council getting some more time on screen and the assault on Dol Guldur featuring heavily. Note that the books don't make at all clear whether this was a military assault or not, but knowing PJ I'd guess it will be. This will likely be in film 2.

Film 3 being some sort of bridge to LoTR is going to be really tricky, the logical place to end The Hobbit is surely at the end of the Battle of Five Armies or Bilbo's return home.

Some things that occur in the Tale of the Years between TH and LoTR are-
- Gollum searches for the ring
- Sauron declares himself in Mordor
- Aragorn and Arwen
- Last meeting of the White Council, Saruman spies on the Shire
- Journeys of Aragorn
- Balin and Moria
- Saruman ensnared by Sauron via the Palantir

So how would you do it? What would you like to see in the three films?

[Mumriken]

Some things that occur in the Tale of the Years between TH and LoTR are-
- Gollum searches for the ring
- Sauron declares himself in Mordor
- Aragorn and Arwen
- Last meeting of the White Council, Saruman spies on the Shire
- Journeys of Aragorn
- Balin and Moria
- Saruman ensnared by Sauron via the Palantir

So how would you do it? What would you like to see in the three films?

I think if he had to include any of that it would be interesting to maybe see Gollum captured in Mirkwood together with the dwarves. Gollum contrasted with elves would be interesting to see, his reaction to them. Aragorn and Arwen ABSOLUTELY NOT...white council meeting probably will occur. No aragorn isn't necessary at all...Yes I think Saruman's corruption would be interesting to see. However I think Lee's week of shootin or whatever it was isn't enough to dwelve into that.

I think the additional material will probably be about dwarf history and political stuff. Maybe something about Beorn, I mean he seems not really to fit into the story. I think they would have to include him a bit more.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Well, I'll play the 3 Hobbits game (although given PJ and
friends abysmal rewriting in TTT and RoTK) there will
probably be many foolish improvs.

Part 1- ends with Thorin and Co. entering Mirkwood and Gandalf
riding off to join the attack (another PJ extravaganza) of the
White Council. Meeting of the White Council spliced in (this could
get interesting if the implied interactions of Gandalf, Saruman, and Galadriel
in the book are handled well).

Part 2-Mirkwood to the Death of Smaug, with orcs, elves, and Laketowners
shown converging on Erebor with they and the dwarves beginning to lay
out their conflicting claims, and Gandalf racing up to meet them.

Part 3- The rest of the book, with an allusion to The Scouring of the Shire,
with Bilbo straightening out the mess at Bagend. Then Bilbo recounting to
a tweenage Frodo the tale and instructing Sam in his letters (generally to
the Gaffer's disapproval).

[Rumil]

Interesting!

Didn't know Lee was only shooting for a week - probably not much apart from White Council scenes then.

Tuor, I think your 3 stage plan sounds quite reasonable. The thing that surprised me about the '10 scenes' images was that they end at Barrels, which seems not to leave much for the next 2 films.

While generally encouraged by the '10 scenes' a little googling has found this thread about the 10min preview http://www.thehalloffire.net/forum/v...er=asc&start=0

So Radagast on a sled pulled by rabbits and Dain riding a pig - I rather hope someone is taking the michael, but you never know in a book with Beorn's animal servants etc.

Other content mentioned:
- Gandalf in Dol Guldur to find Thrain - fair enough and quite right too
- Gandalf and Radagast discovering that the Nazgul have escaped from their tombs - noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!

It was all going so well until then....

[Lalwendë]

Originally Posted by Morthoron

I have another staff that I carved myself from the branch of a corkscrew willow (very cool tree if you've ever seen one) from one of my properties. It's over 6 feet long (nearly as tall as me!), but willow wood is exceedingly light but strong, so I've actually hiked with it. And the convoluted twists of the wood as it winds from top to bottom makes it look...ummm...twisted. Serpentine even.

You should plant it, because it grows even after being cut - my dad made a fence out of old Willow and it turned into a hedge.

I've got a Twisted Hazel, but I don't think it would be strong enough for a staff (not that I want to cut it down because it's started producing...no way to say this without it sounding painful...twisted nuts). I fancy making some rope from Honeysuckle though because apparently it was used in ritual by the ancient Britons and it's extremely strong - and I have quite a lot of it. That would look really cool wound around a staff.

Originally Posted by Mumriken

-__- I wonder...if this was what Tolkien had in mine writing his books, grown men carving walking sticks. loo

Dunno, but I'd lay money on him not expecting ladies to be carving sticks, let alone owning their own utility knives