WW: XCVIII ~ Game Thread ~ Death at the Foot of Taniquetil

[Pomegranate]

Greenie: I was working under the assumption that there are wolves around that don't know each other, yet need to hit the same targets, and thus would react to an outspoken "plan" - not knowing whether it is from a fellow wolf or just something that someone says out - hoping that either Nog were a wolf and followed his own plan, or if that wasn't the case, that others would pick the same plan as well. I don't know if I suspect Nog, until now I've been just very happy that he's around, but if other people are starting to wake up I'll give him more consideration. I agree with Greenie about him jumping on Shasta, and I'm not sure whether I like his approach towards myself. I'll do some re-reading in a bit and see if that leads to something.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Pomegranate

I agree with Greenie about him jumping on Shasta

"Agree"? He did jump on Shasta– no question. I wonder why, though.

And speaking of our resident psychic, I'd say the failed Night-kill points away from him, anyway. I mean, no doubt even clairvoyant wolves have their off-Nights, but still...

[Nerwen]

Anyway, I'm going to have to vote shortly, and I've still got little or nothing to go on...

[Nerwen]

Well, then–

++Pomegranate

Because of what I said before, plus her subsequent explanations seem a little strained, perhaps. Barely more than a shot in the dark, though. I'd been hoping for something a bit more concrete to go on, but I can't hang around forever, so this will have to do.

Good luck!

[Nogrod]

It is interesting how there seems to be a collective meme around that I "jumped" on Shasta when what I asked from him was:

Originally Posted by me

But my question is, why do you feel the need to bring that up? With a smiley?

Maybe I have a different idea of what "jumping on someone" means, or something?

Oh, I had to check how that developed: Greenie said I was "unreasonable" and "jumpy", then Pom agreed (!?) with Greenie about me jumping on Shasta and next Nerwen says that I "did jump on Shasta - no question", and wondered aloud why I might have done it...

And all that because I asked Shasta why did he post the comment he posted, with a smiley, that is.



Okay two things on the issue: one general point, and another one as a way of explanation as you clerly haven't understood what I was after in there.

The general point: you can see how nicely suspicions or any kind of memes / talking points spread like wildfire even in a small village - and the connection between the original point ("I was jumpy") can turn totally around ("I jumped on someone") while everybody agrees on the meme itself.

What that in turn implies is either malice (wolves involved) or lazyness (one just parrots what one thought someone else said)... both ways produce loads of innocent lynches.

The explanation point: Now that was Shasta's first post in the whole game, and what he said was sorry for sleeping D1 and then with a quote of what I had said earlier, that he had mentioned the same game-mechanics point in the discussion thread... Now I mean yes, you could make a post like that, sure, whatever your role is, but to me it looked a bit too much like concentrating more to his image in our eyes than trying to do something. And we know the wolves need to take care of that. And I think the smiley made me suspect that post more as it looked like a not genuine gaiety or lightheartedness but somewhat forced...

Well, that said. I was just asking why he posted that. I mean he could have posted something of some substance, any comment on the game, anything, something, but all he did was that. And of course I was hoping for a reaction from him. Sadly that has not come, at least yet.

Which all doesnt mean I think he is a wolf, or my top candidate for lycantrophy either. But when there are only little things going on one must try every possibility to see how people react and what they do when asked things.

[Pomegranate]

Haha, I feel that my explanations must seem a bit strained, but I'd like to keep a conversation going and there's not really a lot to say in this game. Where are you people? Yes, yesterday some people might've just forgotten, but now we've had appearances from Boro, Shasta, sally and Greenie, none of them leading to a lot of discussion. This is an easy game to hide in the quiet crowd. The question is, are these the kind of players that would do that? Perhaps, unless they have another reasons for their quietness. It doesn't make a good game, though.

[Nogrod]

Bleurgh!

My keyboard has gone partly crazy> I must have hit some queer key/combination *see!( as my special marks come from totally odd keys and some have disappeared totally like _ aka. the questionmark...

Does anyone know what kind of combinations change the keys_

*I\ll try closing the machine first though(

[A Little Green]

I'm back!

Originally Posted by Boro

Well, it's funny, because when I became aware of what I was I thought...huh probably the best thing I could do to help would be to look like a wolf trying to signal another one, and therefor at least waste one (possible more) of their efforts in finding packmates. I also thought if Nog wasn't a wolf he would try the same, therefor it was a mental check to myself "don't jump on anyone looking wolvish early on, especially Nog. Wait and see what happens."

Ah. I see the point now. I was thinking more about that outlook (and especially talking about it out loud early on) creating quite a sweet counter-argument for a wolf against pretty much any accusation: "I was just trying to look like a wolf to confuse the real wolves!" Which would lead to things getting even more muddled up than they already are, which is why I didn't buy the argument.

Originally Posted by Pom

Greenie: I was working under the assumption that there are wolves around that don't know each other, yet need to hit the same targets, and thus would react to an outspoken "plan" - not knowing whether it is from a fellow wolf or just something that someone says out - hoping that either Nog were a wolf and followed his own plan, or if that wasn't the case, that others would pick the same plan as well.

That makes sense - but seems like a lot of plotting to go into a single "here's the plan" -post. Was the whole post written just to confuse the wolvsies or were you going to say the content anyway and only formulated it in a wolf-confusing way?

Re. Nog and Shasta: Nog, what I was getting at (I can't speak for Pom and Nerwen) was that I think you grossly overreacted to a completely normal statement. It's like asking why somebody posted "Back now, had a long day at work! " and even added a smiley to the end. Looks slightly like paranoia to me. Then again, one could argue that you need to be paranoid to have any success whatsoever in catching wolves in this game. So, to flip flop like a proper Lommy (someone has to fill her shoes, right?) I don't agree with Nog's point about Shasta but it doesn't necessarily make me suspect him more.

[Nogrod]

Greenie: Why don't you call this jumpy / jumping on me?

Originally Posted by Nerwen

"Agree"? He did jump on Shasta– no question. I wonder why, though.

I mean it is much more straightforwards, and in a way is even trying to create a vague feeling of suspicion while herself not actually stating anything or committing herself to anything? I mean that does look somewhat suspicious as wolves often do that kind of thing to notch some general memes forwards by just giving them slight punches while not committing them too openly.

I only asked "why did you post that, with a smiley?" I didn't add that "me wonders why he did it, me wonders..." - or add to any pre-existing suspicion or talk of him.

But anyway. This feels like making a mountain out of a molehill. I'm going to comment this the next time only if someone tries to lynch me for it (and then I'd be willing to hear first how anything anyone reads from that question is something a wolf would do in the first place )