Game Thread - WW XCIIX - The Meaning Of Death

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Morsul

that's true just remembered Moddess changed the rule on that.

It's always been that way. The rule she changed is that the dream can't go to a known innocent.

[the phantom]

Connectivity problems.... If I don't show up again know that's why, and I'll go someplace in the morning to get online if I have to.

[the phantom]

Ugh. There. At least got those two done and posted before my connection went out yet again. I'll look at Lottie and Morsul tomorrow.

G'night.

[Brinniel]

Day 1

Originally Posted by Morsul

The other person who worries me a bit is Nerwen not much suspicious but almost too clean. Besides which she has a record of flying under my radar...

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Yes, and there has been something a bit "off" about Morsul's posting since the start– at least, I was thinking about voting him even before I logged on again– only, I'm not sure about the wisdom of bringing another candidate into play *now*.

Day 2

Originally Posted by Morsul

So Nerwen posts a bit discussing Phantom's plan.

A while later posts her list then mentions suspicions on me but doesn't vote me because it'd be bad to bring another candidate forward.

Ends up not voting at all.

Not much to go on rather careful and with no vote nothing to really discuss about her. the play first day was very clean. As I've said before almost too clean.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Honestly, I'm not sure it need be intentional even if wolvish– I mean, I think Morsul tends to play in a kind of bubble regardless of role. Sometimes it gets him lynched, sometimes it works in his favour.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

As for Morsul– we may have to lynch him eventually just to see what he is, but I don't think it's quite got to that point.

Day 3

Originally Posted by Morsul

So Pom was Ordo which means to me anyway Sally is evil Nerwen is evil and probably ZIl. Nerwen and Sally keep suspecting me but never vote me.

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Again, there is the possibility of packmates suspecting each other, but not too much.

If Morsul is evil, Nerwen could've chosen to suspect him to distance herself from him, but attributed his suspiciousness to his typical playing style as a valid reason not to actually vote for him.

If Morsul is innocent, Nerwen could've been building up suspicion and perhaps was using the "we may have to lynch him eventually just to see what he is" comment to pave the way for an easy lynch further down the road.

[Brinniel]

Unless I missed something, Manwe and Nerwen never really share opinions of one another. Which tells us absolutely nothing.

[Morsul the Dark]

Before I go,
Nerwen's vote for Lottie.

If Lottie is evil it would have accomplished nothing except confirming Nerwen's guilt and therefore could be ignored

However what if Lottie Is a KM and Nerwen was deflecting attention away from her by using the above logic against us?

Or Lottie is innocent and Nerwen was playing an awful mind game.

I'm still fairly certain Lottie is innocent but that vote bugs me more than it should maybe.

[Morsul the Dark]

I didny realize I wouldn't be home in time for DL using wife's phone don't know how to use it so can't make brackets So ill make this proper at home but for now

vote eonwe vote

Please pardon typos

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

I didny realize I wouldn't be home in time for DL using wife's phone don't know how to use it so can't make brackets So ill make this proper at home but for now

vote eonwe vote

Please pardon typos

OK, I'll count this. I also don't know how to use other people's phones.

This is the first vote toDay, right?

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

It's always been that way. The rule she changed is that the dream can't go to a known innocent.

I know but the rule change means that the dream would have to go to one of the three unknowns which would be mathematically Russian roulette I forgot the Known part, tha would've given you three candidates....

Actually clarification here please moddess if the gifted is in the four unknowns and one is eliminated can Erendil send her dream to one of the others because Erendil can safely assume the other two unknowns are KM, just have to pass that knowledge onto the rest of the group.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Actually clarification here please moddess if the gifted is in the four unknowns and one is eliminated can Erendil send her dream to one of the others because Erendil can safely assume the other two unknowns are KM, just have to pass that knowledge onto the rest of the group.

Well, currently there are 4 unknowns, so this should not be a problem - it's not a choice of sending a dream to a KM or not sending one at all. If such a situation will arise, though, that all innocents are known, yes, Elendil may send his dream to whoever. At the moment this is not the case, though.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Here's a thought throwing it out there. should we assume Lottie is innocent.

That leaves:
Morsul
Manwe
Steve

and we hope Erendil is still alive: a plan would be lynch me, that'll confirm one innocent have erendil dream one of the other two that would show one of them evil or innocent thus proving the other evil. That'd leave you one KM which would then be process of elimination either Lottie or the surviving member)unless of course dreamed innocent.

Several issues with this, as Lottie noted. A dead innocent does not help the village at this point. It would make more sense to leave you be and for Elendil to choose you as the dream-target.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Thinking back at past Days, I considered that perhaps Nerwen's suspicion of Eonwe might make them less likely to be packmates. But that she decided to vote Pom over him at a time when Eonwe was in the running to get lynched is suspicious. Eonwe adding her in his list of lynch candidates also indicates the possible baddies suspecting each, but not enough to get them lynched tactic.

Looking over things, I'm leaning toward Steve being the best choice for toDay. He seems to have been doing just enough to appear active, while actually staying largely on the sidelines and avoiding controversy.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Looking over things, I'm leaning toward Steve being the best choice for toDay. He seems to have been doing just enough to appear active, while actually staying largely on the sidelines and avoiding controversy.

Indeed. When thinking about potential packs, Steve is involved in both of my more probable packs - either Steve and Morsul or Steve and Manwe. The pack without him I find far less probable (Morsul and Manwe). I'd prefer to lynch Steve toDay, and decide between Morsul and Manwe toMorrow (Elendil, help us out on that one?).

[Mänwe]

Originally Posted by the phantom

MANWE

So, is he genuinely concerned, or is he a worried KM? I mean think- if Isildur reveals Day 1 what are the KMs going to do about it? If they go to kill him then they're letting Elendil and his dreamer & dream target have another night alive and allowing the next dream to take place, and they won't be killing the more dangerous Anarion either. I'm thinking a KM might be unnerved by such an open game.

I think you could call it concern, like your reply to my saying you wanted a transparent game- I was just raising another angle to consider of the idea.

Originally Posted by the phantom

He does not vote Day 1, and everyone knows how a hate submarines. It would've been a golden opportunity to give us some info.

Day 2 he starts right off incriminating Morsul, and also paints Sally as innocent.

Later in the day he actually compares Steve and Morsul-

In the end he indeed votes for Morsul.

On Day 3 he oddly brings up my Day 1 vote for Lottie a couple times (this is before Lottie revealed with her dream).

I'd like to address all these points together as I feel they're somewhat related to my train of thinking throughout the game and why ive voted for who i have. It was the first time I haven't voted in a game and I was late to the deadline. Had I arrived I would have said Morsul- my list of three the other day had evolved from my initial interest in all the following; morsul, pom, sally, steve and indirectly lottie and inzil. That's why I voted for him with steve a close second.

Originally Posted by the phantom

Thanking Lottie for her dream I think strikes me as premature. How did he know she had dreamed? How did he know she wasn't a KM? How did he know Nerwen would be guilty?I find that a bit suspicious.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Unless I missed something, Manwe and Nerwen never really share opinions of one another. Which tells us absolutely nothing.

That's why I said revelation I didn't see her as one as I was so focused on the morsul, steve, sally, pom mix.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

As for Morsul– we may have to lynch him eventually just to see what he is, but I don't think it's quite got to that point.

Originally Posted by Brin

If Morsul is innocent, Nerwen could've been building up suspicion and perhaps was using the "we may have to lynch him eventually just to see what he is" comment to pave the way for an easy lynch further down the road.

Yeah- I sort of wondered about that when she made that comment.

Anyway, back now. Doing a readthrough on the other two...