Game thread - Werewolf C - The Father Christmas Murders

[Galadriel55]

I can totally understand those wolves. The lack of participation would make anyone not celebrating want to cancel Christmas.


In all seriousness, I hope that all of you are enjoying your Christmas in whichever way you're celebrating it, and WW is just WW. It happens more than once a year.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Can't speak for everyone, but that's why I haven't been here. And I likely won't be until later. I'll still be here at some point during the day, though.

Merry Christmas, all!

[Inziladun]

Ditto here. I'll be on later tomorrow as much as possible.

I wish you all a merry and blessed Christmas.

[Eönwë]

So, it looks like I'm not going to have any more time for toDay. I also feel, that with so little activity so far, it would be wrong to vote at this stage, so I'm abstaining for the Day.

Merry Christmas, everyone!

[McCaber]

Merry Christmas, and may God bless us, everyone! (Wolves and other such unpleasant company excepted, of course.)

So I return from a holiday party to find that Morsul has voted me, for essentially voting sally like I said I would. Ultimata matter, so I backed up mine with action.

I'm still not really sure how Boro became the most suspicious one yesterDay. Legate was the first one to really suspect him, but I'm more inclined to believe that he was just trying to make a conversation happen than I am he's a wolf. G55, as near as I can tell, was the one who rolled with that accusation and made it stick.

Now according to our moddess we'll have yet another day before a DL. It looks like I won't have to go out all guns blazing on that but instead can get a night's sleep and see what things look like in the light of day. Evening, folks.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by McCaber

I'm still not really sure how Boro became the most suspicious one yesterDay. Legate was the first one to really suspect him, but I'm more inclined to believe that he was just trying to make a conversation happen than I am he's a wolf. G55, as near as I can tell, was the one who rolled with that accusation and made it stick.

Can you say that again please, because I think I'm missing something? What accusation? I do not believe I've accused Boro of wolvery at any point.

And, in reality, Boro's words about Legwolf making an easy target of him are quite believable.

[Galadriel55]

And a photo of me:



;-)

PS: that's just some Gary that signed it...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Merry Christmas all, or belated ones, hope you have enjoyed/are still enjoying it... Also, because of Christmas (as I'm sure for many of us), I am not going to be here posting anything long (I will be around more once again later), so for now only a few notes...

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

Legate, could you explain it a bit more, as concisely as possible?

It was several factors, of course. Basically the first thing about Boro that raised my attention, was him not behaving the way I am used to him behaving. He tends to be active and poking around people, especially when he's innocent (previously I had actually caught Borowolf a few times based on that, resp. once he killed me because he had succeeded in talking me out of it). Anyway, that was the starter, though at that point he wasn't alone - well, basically nobody had spoken anything actual at that point. But he was one of those I had expected to say something of value (given that it was like 5 hours before DL and midnight my time!). What sort of moved this further were his replies to me, which, looking back, is actually what I think had cost him my vote. But his posting just looked "dishonest" to me, or however should I call it, it simply had the sort of fabricated tone: he started really strong defense - it wasn't the content of it, but the manner. Especially that "why would you vote person X instead of you"-list idea seemed really fabricated, I still get that feeling when I remember it even now. And well, then I had to vote.

Speaking of this, to transit to the present, I still have similar feeling about some people's posts, similar like I did yesterDay. Mainly G55's posts sometimes give rather "fake" vibe, and partially also Cop - namely of the current issues, I am not 100% sure what to make of Cop's "pre-prepared" post. I am fine with somebody writing a post overNight when they know they e.g. are not going to have time to write in the Morning, even though of course we could debate how fishy is that since anyway, nobody except for Wolves knows who is going to die (thus how the mechanics of the game will look in the morning), and, perhaps more importantly, nobody except Wolves knows whether they are going to survive till morning - so what if it's a waste of time, huh? Of course, it can be only a nice brain exercise - but more importantly, I am not sure if I'm buying what Cop did, apparently making a point of having a pre-prepared post and showing off to us all that it contains the pre-made line "oh, poor Boro and [name]". Sort of looks to me like something a Wolf could do as "look everyone, here's a proof I didn't know who was going to die toNight, and I am proving it by showing you that in my draft, there is a blank spot I intended to fill in after the narration has been posted". I think an innocent could have pretty well just deleted the second name from the sentence after finding out that no [name] died, but this looks to me like intentional effort of trying to prove one's innocence.

From new things toDay I am feeling somewhat uncertain about Steve (his replies to McCab), though that's more just the air of it, nothing specific. And I still feel more or less genuine vibes from Morsul especially, even though I'd join to ask him to make his thoughts a bit clearer to us (and his vote seems a bit rushed, but apparently he thought DL might come).

Looking forward to see more people posting in the following time, also there are many I would like to form my opinion more strongly about (people with less show yesterDay like Shasta, people with less input yesterDay like Zil, people with no vote, like Nerwen and sally).
Like I said, I am not promising to be around extensively, but I hope to chime in at least once or twice tomorrow my time.

EDIT: x-ed with G55's very nice themed pictures

[Coppermirror]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I am fine with somebody writing a post overNight when they know they e.g. are not going to have time to write in the Morning, even though of course we could debate how fishy is that since anyway, nobody except for Wolves knows who is going to die (thus how the mechanics of the game will look in the morning), and, perhaps more importantly, nobody except Wolves knows whether they are going to survive till morning - so what if it's a waste of time, huh? Of course, it can be only a nice brain exercise - but more importantly, I am not sure if I'm buying what Cop did, apparently making a point of having a pre-prepared post and showing off to us all that it contains the pre-made line "oh, poor Boro and [name]". Sort of looks to me like something a Wolf could do as "look everyone, here's a proof I didn't know who was going to die toNight, and I am proving it by showing you that in my draft, there is a blank spot I intended to fill in after the narration has been posted". I think an innocent could have pretty well just deleted the second name from the sentence after finding out that no [name] died, but this looks to me like intentional effort of trying to prove one's innocence.

It's totally normal for me to write posts in advance of the Day beginning, if one can call things normal based upon only three games. For example, if you check the first game I played, where I was an ordo (relevant post here: http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpos...7&postcount=67) you'll see that I used a pre-prepared post on Day 2 then, although that time I did have the time to edit it. I wrote that one even though I thought there were 50% odds I'd be the one killed overNight.

I would actually have had to do more editing than just deleting the name from the sentence there. The surrounding lines would have had to be re-written too ("What a tragedy! I'm terrified" doesn't fit at all when the Ranger's just made a great save, does it? And so forth...), and on the evening of Christmas Eve with a heck of a lot still to do, I was relieved that because of the Ranger-save I could slap an unabridged on my prepared post and go away ASAP without checking through it and making alterations.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Cop, the Modess has kindly extended the Day for another day. You don't have to worry about voting.

Yes! Thank you, Loslote-Modess. That means I can take my time.

[Inziladun]

Here momentarily. It's been a long day, with family visits unfortunately mingled with dangerous weather situations. All seems to be quieting down now though, and I plan to be around much more tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

I'm going to settle down and look at the voting record from yesterDay, go over the people I missed covering in my earlier post toDay, think about toDay so far, and try to catch us a wolf.

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

I'm not sure how far I'll get with that before I go to sleep, but I'll make sure to do that when I wake up if nOh, I get it then. So, it's not just the fact I voted for you but that I didn't plainly mention a suspicion of you before she cast her vote for you. That's fair enough considering how little there was to by for anyone yesterDay. Although since Lommy was the first voter and few people at that point had put down any serious suspicion of anyone, that reasoning would have risked anyone making a second vote for you looking dodgy.

Your explanation later in that post seems reasonable, I guess. On the minus side, I tend to be suspicious of people who make a point of saying "Let's get those wolves!", as if to spotlight their innocence. I will say you probably wouldn't be my primary candidate for a vote at this time.

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

I do find it a bit perturbing that anyone took that as actual speculation seeking out the Seer/a hint for wolves. I was aware that there's a taboo for obvious reasons on mentioning Seer-hints one thinks one's found, but didn't realise that it went as far as mentioning things that have been considered and basically discarded as a possibility (but which are still relevant to the discussion), to the point where people would rephrase that as "oh, I think [living player] might be giving seer hints" as you just have and which Nerwen did before (as "Hey, wolves, look what I found!"). I would find that sort of rephrasing suspicious of itself, but a few more people seemed to think the point was fair. Looks as if I've misjudged the level of paranoia for that element of the game.

Nerwen made a good point addressing this.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Can you say that again please, because I think I'm missing something? What accusation? I do not believe I've accused Boro of wolvery at any point.

I was curious about that myself.

[McCaber]

Votes:
Morsul --> McCaber (1)
Lommy --> G55 (1)
Legate --> G55 (2)
G55 --> Legate (1)

Yet to vote:
sally
Nerwen
Shasta
CM
Eonwe
Inzil
McCaber