Game thread - Werewolf C - The Father Christmas Murders

[Galadriel55]

Incidentally, I still haven't told you the stupidest of my incredibly stupid things I did this game. I haven't even dreamt Legate on Night1. My first dream was Shasta.

[Coppermirror]

And the third one was Inzil. So, who was the second dream?

[Coppermirror]

McCaber was a good Cobbler. He managed to get away with literally saying "I'm the Cobbler wolves please don't kill me", which takes some nerve, and nobody specifically picked him up on it. His effort at a fake seer-hint toDay was valiant.

G55 did an amazing job as the Seer, so congrats! She managed to pick out Legate as a wolf on Day 1 despite not dreaming of him until Night 2, and picked out Inzil for Night 3. The whole fake reveal then real reveal gambit was excellently handled.

Shasta was very crafty. At the end of yesterDay I was thinking that he seemed like an innocent Shasta in tone, but some of the things he was saying and doing at the end of Day 2 were suspicious. And given toDay's revelation, they were evidently on purpose! Nicely done.

Legate did well in not being taken in by G55's Cobbler act.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

Legate did well in not being taken in by G55's Cobbler act.

Legate did far better than that. He was freakish on Day2 when he was around, so much that I wrote in my notes next to his name something along of the lines of "I hate his guts". No, not really, but I was so mad and frustrated because I just couldn't catch him and he was way stronger than I was, even though I knew who he was and he could only guess who I am.

PS: Legate, it's all my fault.

[Loslote]

The first words the next morning came from Valkotukka. "Who's next, Rudolph?" asked the small boy.

"Wait!" cried Jack Frost, "we're missing somebody."

Everyone fell silent. They had hoped the mysterious guardian had kept the last murderer at bay again - but it seemed that was not the case. "Where's the Sugar Plum Fairy?" asked Little Cindy Lou Who with a bit of a scream to her voice. Everyone shared a look, then ran to the card shop over which the Fairy lived.

"Sugar Plum?" called Cindy as she burst through the door. The Ghost, having skipped the door and floated right through the bedroom wall, floated down, moaning.

"The poor woman," he wailed. "Suffocated with her own cards! The ones about Santa, too. What a wicked, cruel beast!"

Cindy sank to her knees, sobbing.

"Who did it?" Paksu asked. "Rudolph, please say you know!"

"I think I might," Rudolph said. "I'm not sure, though. I could be wrong..."

"You weren't wrong before!" the Grinch encouraged him. "Who do you think it was?"

"Well," Rudolph said slowly, "I know Frosty's evil. I don't know if he's a murderer, though!"

"Frosty?" Tiny Tim asked. "That's ridiculous!"

"I agree," Frosty said, "especially considering you're trying to get me killed!"

"She's right," said Jack Frost. "I should know - I remember now - I was the guardian who saved Sugar Plum the first time, and I don't know why I didn't recognize you earlier!"

"It must be Frosty," Paksu said.

"If you killed Sugar Plum," Little Cindy Lou Who said, getting to her feet, her tears frozen on her cheeks, "you're going to pay."

"What do you mean?" Frosty asked nervously, backing away from the furious Who.

"Does anybody have a hair dryer?"

"Come, now!" Frosty protested. "That's just cruel!"

"And suffocated Sugar Plum wasn't? Electrocuting Suzy wasn't?"

Frosty spread his arms innocently. "C'mon, now, forgive and forget! You don't want to stoop to my level, do you?"

"Y'know, I think I'm feeling a bit stoopy," Cindy snarled.

"I'm with you," Jack said. "I never did get my payback for Suzy's death - or at least, not enough."

"You can borrow my travel-size, if you like," Cindy offered. She ran inside to fetch the hair dryers.

"Any last words?" Valkotukka asked.

Frosty hemmed and hawed for a minute, then tried to make a break for it. The Christmastowners chased him down the streets of town until he hollered stop, out of breath. "Do what you like," he huffed. "Christmas is ruined this year, anyway. Christmas is ruined forever!"

"Yours is, anyway," Jack said, turning on the hair dryer Cindy had just passed him. While the Grinch and the polar bears held him still, the two grieving Christmastowners slowly melted him down.

"Better destroy the hat, too," warned the Ghost, "or we'll never be truly safe. Not that we will anyway..."

"Wait, wasn't this what you were warning us about?" asked Tiny Tim, surprised.

"Nonsense," the Ghost said. "This is nothing. Disappointing, yes, but nothing compared to what is coming."

As Cindy took vindictive scissors to Frosty's magic hat, Tiny Tim's eyes shone in renewed hope.

Living

Sally - Little Cindy Lou Who
Shasta - Jack Frost
G55 - Rudolph
Coppermirror - The Ghost of Christmas Present
Steve - Valkotukka
Morsul - The Grinch
McCaber - Tiny Tim
Lommy - Paksu

Dead

Lottie - Suzy the Snowflake - Moddess
Boro - Olive the Other Reindeer - Ordo
Legate - Santa Claus - Wolf
Nerwen - The Sugar Plum Fairy - Ordo
Zil - Frosty - Wolf

The game is over. The village wins!

[McCaber]

Shasta, you played a heck of a game. I was pretty sure you were the ranger but you didn't give me anything I could use to discredit you, and your protections were spot on. G55, nice seering. Eying out two solid picks in two straight nights is an accomplishment, especially against a team like Inzil/Legate. Inzil, it's too bad they caught you early. You're a cold enough customer that if you didn't get seered I could easily see you turning the game around after Legate bit it early.

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

McCaber was a good Cobbler. He managed to get away with literally saying "I'm the Cobbler wolves please don't kill me", which takes some nerve, and nobody specifically picked him up on it. His effort at a fake seer-hint toDay was valiant.

Many thanks. Although I'm pretty sure this is the only time I've lost out of the four I've played the cobbler, this one was definitely a fun one. I do wonder if the wolves picked up on that secret hidden message, though.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Now I need a new game! This was certainly too short and "easy" to satisfy my werewolf-hunger.

This. I've been away for far too long, and this in no way satisfied my WW pangs. I didn't even get to vote for myself!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ah well. I guess our ancient WWing losing streak together with Zil is not going to get better with this game, not at all, preciouss. I doubt it could have gone worse, actually. Spot-on Seer picks, a Ranger save on our first kill, heavy suspicion of Zil from the start and then me...

Absolutely congratulations to G55, though, and all the honor - is it your Seer-debut? Because that was just deadly aim. It seemed to us on Day 1, if I recall correctly, that you were acting weird, but to the point that it seemed weird to consider you being the Seer - possibly Ranger or somesuch, or that's what I thought. On Day 2, I was wondering whether you aren't the Cobbler, but then I saw that whatever you were doing was not very Cobbler-wise and that you were getting yourself killed (aka "a 180 turn at the beginning of the Day about me, is that normal?"). My thoughts on Day 2 were "she must be absolutely the worst Cobbler I have seen in a while". Alas, you weren't, instead you were the best Seer I have seen in a while. *Hat off*

Shasta's save was also an important factor, though that was more random stroke of luck, since our original plan was not actually to go for Nerwen. Also, one of the picks was G55, whom we still debated, because we feared she might be protected (!) - had we killed her, things might indeed have been possibly markingly different... Lommy and Cop were the other two options for our first kill... I am sure Zil can better elaborate what happened

So, G55, why exactly did you go after me on Day 1, if you have dreamt of me only on the second Day?

Anyway, I think I have been saying it during the last few games I have played, because it was always like this, after a long pause; it is really nice to play WW again. Even if for just this short while. (After the initial crisis of Day 1, when I thought I might lose Zil already, I have actually been quite hopeful... especially once G55-wagon seemed to start rolling... and then she had to reveal. Ah well.)

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Shasta's save was also an important factor, though that was more random stroke of luck, since our original plan was not actually to go for Nerwen. Also, one of the picks was G55, whom we still debated, because we feared she might be protected (!) - had we killed her, things might indeed have been possibly markingly different... Lommy and Cop were the other two options for our first kill... I am sure Zil can better elaborate what happened

Well, I decided you could be right about G55 being protected, so she was out. The more I looked at it, the less Gifted Cop and Lommy appeared. Then the Good Idea Fairy showed up and convinced me Nerwen could be the Ranger. She was also a good bet for a trailless kill, so I thought "Why not"? Stymied there by bad luck and good Ranger intuition.

By the way, I'm glad we had that talk about bussing. I thought the wind was blowing for a Legate-lynch, and nothing I did would stop it. If I tried, I might be setting myself up as a Seer target. Once again though, nefarious plans come to nought,

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Absolutely congratulations to G55, though, and all the honor - is it your Seer-debut? Because that was just deadly aim. It seemed to us on Day 1, if I recall correctly, that you were acting weird, but to the point that it seemed weird to consider you being the Seer - possibly Ranger or somesuch, or that's what I thought. On Day 2, I was wondering whether you aren't the Cobbler, but then I saw that whatever you were doing was not very Cobbler-wise and that you were getting yourself killed (aka "a 180 turn at the beginning of the Day about me, is that normal?"). My thoughts on Day 2 were "she must be absolutely the worst Cobbler I have seen in a while". Alas, you weren't, instead you were the best Seer I have seen in a while. *Hat off*

Thank you for your compliments! But you flatter me. Most of it was just luck and failed plans.

This is my second time as Seer. My first was way back when in Boro's game.

But did you actually consider me as a possible cobbler for so long? I thought you were thinking about it, but then thought better in your last posts, which is why I got desperate and grabbed the last role out there that might not be targeted.

Originally Posted by Legate

So, G55, why exactly did you go after me on Day 1, if you have dreamt of me only on the second Day?

I suspected you based on feel. And I knew it was really dangerous to do this, in case I'm killed and you're actually innocent, but I didn't suspect Boro much anymore by voting time, and you were my only suspect, and I couldn't explain it better than "feel" because there wasn't much to explain, and I din't have time to hint at Shasta either (and didn't want to overdo it and risk him getting killed)...

Originally Posted by Inziladun

By the way, I'm glad we had that talk about bussing. I thought the wind was blowing for a Legate-lynch, and nothing I did would stop it. If I tried, I might be setting myself up as a Seer target. Once again though, nefarious plans come to nought,

Actually, a major factor in my dream choice was how easily you seemed to go along with what I said. I was thinking "he's so supportive it seems like he's overdoing a bit of fake feeling". I guess bussing is a tough business - you can't hesitate too much, you can't not hesitate too much...

But, Zil, why did you go for Nerwen on Night3? The Ranger cannot self-protect. Was it just the trusted innocent factor?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

But, Zil, why did you go for Nerwen on Night3? The Ranger cannot self-protect. Was it just the trusted innocent factor?

That, and a frustrated desire to get a certain kill.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by McCaber

Many thanks. Although I'm pretty sure this is the only time I've lost out of the four I've played the cobbler, this one was definitely a fun one. I do wonder if the wolves picked up on that secret hidden message, though.

We have considered you being a Cobbler, actually, you were one of the tops, but I am not aware of any message... so what message was it?

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

sally, what did you bribe the Psychic Man with to get him to share his secret?

And I second this. That positively scared me.

[McCaber]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

We have considered you being a Cobbler, actually, you were one of the tops, but I am not aware of any message... so what message was it?

Top post of page 2, where I said "I'm the Cobbler wolves please don't kill me."

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by McCaber

Top post of page 2, where I said "I'm the Cobbler wolves please don't kill me."

When you said that, I thought to myself, "You know, a McCobbler would absolutely do that." I wasn't going to point it out for the benefit of the wolves though, of course, and I wasn't entirely sure you were the cobbler anyway (as opposed to a wolf hinting at cobblerism).