WW CI - Mutton yesterDay, mutton toDay and mutton toMorrow

[Pomegranate]

Okay, I think I'll need to go now, so won't have time to search for subtleties in the rest of the posts. I'll need to go with

++Cop

for the reasons stated earlier. Even though I'm not at all fond of Brin's voting post, she was amongst the first to actually try to say something, and I like that, so it will give her a pass for now, since there is someone else that I suspect as well. But I'll be keeping an eye on her.

edit. x/ed with Cab

[Pomegranate]

Agh, now I don't know what to think of Cab! I'd say he's jumping a bandwagon, but he says he crossed with me and Rikae earlier, in which case his suspicions are at least somewhat his own, rather than joining general change of suspicion. And I really need to go. Keep an eye on people going for Cop I'd say.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Pomegranate

Keep an eye on people going for Cop I'd say.

Is that irony I smell, or is someone cooking bacon?

[Inziladun]

Coppermirror--> Boro (1)
Morsul--> Kath (1)
Brinn--> Nerwen (1)
Gil--> Nerwen (2)
Cab--> Coppermirror (1)
Pom--> Coppermirror (2)

Let's see, the rules say the first to reach a total in the event of a tie are lynched, I think. At any rate, there's still some time. But what to make of this?

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Is that irony I smell, or is someone cooking bacon?

Yes indeed. An odd thing to say.

[Volo]

#58 Coppermirror--> Boro (1)
#60 Morsul--> Kath (1)
#67 Brinn--> Nerwen (1)
#73 Gil--> Nerwen (2)
#101 Cab--> Coppermirror (1)
#102 Pom--> Coppermirror (2) [xd w/ 101]
#122 Rikae--> McCaber (1)
#125 Green--> McCaber (2) [xd w/ 122]
#127 Inziladun--> Pom (1) [xd w/ 125]
#130 Ozban--> McCaber (3) [xd w/ 125, 127]
#131 Loslote--> Pom (2)

Ok, time went by too quickly and most of the votes have been cast. Nerwen I'm not sure about, but Pom feels more genuine (although I haven't gone through her posts as carefully), McCaber is more on the naughty side compared to the others.

xd since 132

[McCaber]

Originally Posted by Pomegranate

Agh, now I don't know what to think of Cab! I'd say he's jumping a bandwagon, but he says he crossed with me and Rikae earlier, in which case his suspicions are at least somewhat his own, rather than joining general change of suspicion. And I really need to go. Keep an eye on people going for Cop I'd say.

I agree with you, but I will advocate for the lynching of your right to say it!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Two hours to go in the day and Sally finally thinks to call me and let me know the game's started.

I'll try and make an informed vote by reading the thread, but no promises.

[Rikae]

I don't like the way Pom and Cab went for Cop at all. Yes, I suspected Cop myself, but this just looks overeager and wrong. I feel like my suspicion made matters too easy for at least one of them. Pom is wishy-washy and self-contradictory: I almost think a wizard might be more careful. As for Cab, I don't know. Would a Cab or Pom wizard throw a fellow under the bus at this early stage? Thing is, I don't like Cab's reasons. I suspected Cop for the classic blunder of "looking helpful", he seems to suspect him for voting early. If you have to vote early, you have to vote early, and the reasons will be thin.

[McCaber]

Originally Posted by Rikae

As for Cab, I don't know. Would a Cab or Pom wizard throw a fellow under the bus at this early stage? Thing is, I don't like Cab's reasons. I suspected Cop for the classic blunder of "looking helpful", he seems to suspect him for voting early. If you have to vote early, you have to vote early, and the reasons will be thin.

Because when CM voted, there were like 6 others who had mostly vague IC postings (including you, I might add), but immediately picked out Boro as the only suspicious and votable one from that group. Hasty and ill-thought.

[Boromir88]

Top suspicions:

Cop and Brinn pretty much for their votes, but at the same time I hate actually having to make decisions on Day 1, when it doesn't seem like either will be around for the rest of the day.

Originally Posted by Brinn

While I don't feel terribly confident in my vote, she has displayed the most suspicious behavior to me so far. By suspicious, I refer to excessive bantering combined with picking up on comments that she could later use as reasons for an easy lynch (like Morsul's comment on Kath). I realize it's weak reasoning, but there's really not much else to go on and I do generally tend to be pretty wary about Nerwen anyway.

I tend to be wary around Nerwen too...and Rikae...and many others, but it's not a reason to vote for them. I read that as "here are some admittedly weak suspicions but Nerwen's also a pretty scary when she's evil." Everyone's potentially perilous, and it's one thing to be wary of someone, but a cop out to use the "well, she always makes me wary anyway" vote.

Granted I'm not doing much stirring of the pot yet, but Nog seems more commentating and non-committal so far. I haven't an idea on what his thoughts about anyone are, other than making clear he's not taking any stance yet on Gil-galad, or Nerwen, or Cop...just making statements that are neither meant as accusations or defenses?

Who I prefer not to see lynched today...

Gil-galad
Nerwen
Rikae

Gil's explained himself a bit clumsily and much of the reasons people have suspected him look like his own doing in insisting what he says will get turned against him. Definitely bears further watching, but currently nostalgia is blocking reasons for finding his actions are of evil purposes.

Nerwen's reaction to the two votes against her is understandable and look innocent, particularly since the votes themselves aren't good. Brinn's "she had too much fun trolling, besides I'm always wary of her" and Gil's "I don't want to add a name to the growing list."

Read Rikae's posts, then read Nog's, for why I have some misgivings about what Nog has contributed so far. Rikae hasn't said a bunch, but has made concrete statements about what she's feeling towards certain players.

Edit: crossed with everyone since Greenie's arrival, also fixing the quote tags.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Granted I'm not doing much stirring of the pot yet, but Nog seems more commentating and non-committal so far. I haven't an idea on what his thoughts about anyone are, other than making clear he's not taking any stance yet on Gil-galad, or Nerwen, or Cop...just making statements that are neither meant as accusations or defenses?

Hah. I just haven't had time enough to actually think about things this Day but just to skim through and make some fast general comments. You know when I have time I tend to argue this way or that whether I'm an innocent or a wolf (or even a gifted) so it's less about my role than my time.

Which said I'll try to go back checking at least something for the last hour.

EDIT: You guys post fast indeed! *Good old times come to mind*

[Nogrod]

Firstly (well the latest thought), I'm a bit worried about Greenie (news!). Without being able to really read and delve into this toDay I'm feeling more or less anguished while thinking I need to vote in 45 minutes, not knowing where to look for or where to concentrate my effort, while Greenie seems to have ample time to make detailed and plausible "case" for her vote even if she - according to hr - only came online a while ago and has already left. I know she's bright and sharp (thence not a troll! ) but it seems a bit too confident what becomes to how she used her time here toDay - the wolves, well the Wizards, know how to use their time unlike us.

Secondly I still suspect Gil for which seemed like he only slowly came forwards with his scheme of testing Nerwen. It is clear that if one tries to test someone one shouldn't say it immediately when voting that "I'm just testing", but with Gil it felt like he only got around that explanation with time (I might need to check that actually to be sure).

Pom I suspect a little, mostly becasue of her careful adding of look at the possible bandwagon after she noticed McCab had voted for Copper as well making her look like a bandwagoner...

Of those earliest votes I'm not yet so suspicious of. As yet.

I'm more bothered by all the people who fly under our radars at the moment... like Volo, Sally, Lottie, Zil... not that I'd have a hunch they'd be wolves, but because nobody notices them (me neither).

EDIT: X'd with a couple of votes etc...

[A Little Green]

Here at last, sorry for taking this long! Starting my commentary on things said already very early, so bear with me if they're already outdated.

Originally Posted by McCaber

Kath: IC posts and suspicion of Morsul.
Inzil: claims to be too skinny to eat and defends Pom. Automatically suspicious, as every troll knows that anything worth having is worth eating.

Originally Posted by Volo

McCaber, your use of suspicious in post #29 felt somewhat exaggerated. Or was it all just observations on humorous exchanges? Or some as actual interpretations of suspicion?

I agree with Volo; that caught my eye as well. These two points especially (the ones quoted above, boobies) looked, at least in my view, like misinterpreting things or overinterpreting them. Speaking about Kath's suspicion of Morsul looks like an exaggeration to me, and the way I interpreted it, Inzil wasn't defending Pom but rather saying that what she had said was reasonable enough but all in all a fairly basic thing to say on Day 1 (in response to Morsul saying she made good points, if I remember correctly). Might be honest mistakes on his part or mine, but I'm also aware that phrasing things in a strong way in a summary is a nice, subtle tool for altering the impression other players have of the posts in question.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, One thing I'm curious about is why Morsul (#24) saw Kath's references to singing and The Wizard of Oz (#5,#13) as possible cobbler-hints.

Originally Posted by Morsul

The reason I see Kat's singing as a possible hint is the song she chose. The "Wonderful" Wizard of Oz.

I's like to subject to this he'e Cou't No wiz is a wondafuh wiz eh?

I'm not sure about this logic. I can see where he's coming from, but I just don't see it as a strong enough argument for Kath being a Cobbler to justify voting for her over potential Wizers. If that makes sense.

Originally Posted by Rikae

The only thing more useless than banter is recap of banter. I've never played with Copper before, but I have played with many a wolf (or wizard) who made long, detailed, organized posts with little content. I have a bad feeling about it.

This is a very good point.

Originally Posted by Brin

While I don't feel terribly confident in my vote, she has displayed the most suspicious behavior to me so far. By suspicious, I refer to excessive bantering combined with picking up on comments that she could later use as reasons for an easy lynch (like Morsul's comment on Kath). I realize it's weak reasoning, but there's really not much else to go on and I do generally tend to be pretty wary about Nerwen anyway.

Funny, actually; I could see a reason to suspect Nerwen but it's nothing to do with any of these Brinn mentioned. I'm more concerned about the fact that she was bantering happily until someone (was it Brinn?) came along and said she disapproved of the banter; Nerwen's next post was all serious and "Yes, you're right, let's get down to business". It is curious that a player as independent-minded as Nerwen did not stop bantering by herself if she thought it was excessive and that it was time to move on. Then again, I disagree with Brinn's reasons for suspecting her and don't suspect her overall (which I never seem to do, regardless of her role).

Whoa. All I can say is, someone needs to flip-flop now that good ol' Lom is turned to stone.

Originally Posted by Boro

I wouldn't vote for Kath based on his reasons, but his early vote dispalys his mind and what he's thinking clear enough. It's reasonin' we can track, if you follow me, and not gut-feelings.

This makes a lot of sense and makes me feel better about Boro for no good reason.

Originally Posted by Gil

I agree with Brin on how the first day is always the worst, and while I see Cop's point on Bor not posting anything to add, I fear if Bor gets voted it is because of that, he would be an easy vote like the fate I befall so many times in the past.

Originally Posted by Pom

Boro can be a very strong player, and in case he's innocent getting rid of him early in the game when he hasn't had time to contribute much would seem like a reasonable thing for a Wizard to do. Then again, it is hardly starting a bandwagon, because of the total lack of evidence. But he could've been trusting that people (like Gil) would rather vote for someone who already has a vote, than someone who doesn't?

Two radically different views on Cop's Boro vote; I disagree with both. No, I don't think Boro is by any means an easy Day 1 lynch; quite the contrary, I very much doubt a Wizer in search of an easy bandwagon target would try Boro, since strong, active, reasonable players seldom get lynched on Day 1 without hard evidence (which Cop obviously didn't have). As for Pom's speculation of Wizers wanting to get rid of an innocent Boro early on - probably, but again, I doubt they'd try to make him into a Day 1 lynch even with decent arguments. They'd know it was unlikely to work.

Why, then, did Cop vote for Boro? She might be telling the truth; gut-feeling based on something the rest of us didn't spot, whether real or imagined. If she is a Wiz, I'd see the Boro-vote as a very safe and easy one: unlikely to start a bandwagon (as Pom pointed out) so not leading to the death of an innocent and thus accusations of bandwagoning. The chance of us hitting a Wizer at this point aren't so high as to force the Wizers to try and steer the lynch so actively; they can lay back and relax as long as it isn't one of them.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

This may sound like an "omgus" post- but honestly, I think Gil's post there looks really bad. He says he's voting me so as not to "add another name to this growing list"- a list (at the time of posting) of three names in a village of eighteen.

Fair point; this part didn't make sense to me, either.

Originally Posted by Boro

I think you're looking more defensive at the moment than Nerwen. Having said that, I'd say you're also the one that many seem to want to jump after and pile on right now...hence the defensiveness.

Partially stirred by you though, with how you're the typical red-shirt, and then assuming everything you say is now getting turned against to. I honestly laughed at your redshirt comment for nostalgia reasons. Maybe I just think myself more ancient than the most, but I would guess I'm one of the few who would remember your 'style'...it's been a long time for sure. It's just making you look not only defensive but paranoid.

Agreed with this as well. Deciding in advance that you're going to be lynched no matter what is not the most fruitful of attitudes, though, and I still don't quite understand the reason behind the Nerwen-vote. Provoking a reaction, fine, that it certainly did, and it's a good strategy, too; I just don't see you doing it unless you also had some reason to pick Nerwen in particular to be tested.

Originally Posted by Sally

I honestly believe a WizGil wouldn't be laying it on so thick toDay, or at least so early. Playing victim is a decent wolf tactic when done correctly, but he's been doing it since the start, which is far too much and far too dangerous for a baddie to do. Perhaps he's a cobbler, perhaps an ordo, but I'd be willing to bet cupcakes on him not being a wolf. It just doesn't look right to me.

Also agreeing with this. Definitely not voting Gil toDay unless something drastic happens to change my opinion.

Originally Posted by Pom

Keep an eye on people going for Cop I'd say.

The girl's got some nerve saying this right after voting Cop herself.


EDIT: x-ed with Cab, Shaz, Vol and Rick

[Rikae]

Pom and Cop... male or female? I am confuse.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I don't like the way Pom and Cab went for Cop at all. Yes, I suspected Cop myself, but this just looks overeager and wrong. I feel like my suspicion made matters too easy for at least one of them. Pom is wishy-washy and self-contradictory: I almost think a wizard might be more careful. As for Cab, I don't know. Would a Cab or Pom wizard throw a fellow under the bus at this early stage? Thing is, I don't like Cab's reasons. I suspected Cop for the classic blunder of "looking helpful", he seems to suspect him for voting early. If you have to vote early, you have to vote early, and the reasons will be thin.

I see where you're coming from. I suspect Cop for two reasons - for the helpfulness thing you pointed out and for her Boro vote. Not because she voted early (I do know a bit about that myself) but because it struck me as an easy vote; a throwaway, if you like. Then again, the general suspicion against Cop almost makes me feel better about her, not worse; like you said, Pom and Cab both looked a tad opportunistic. Cab perhaps more so since Pom had to leave and I can see the Cop thing being the strongest suspicion she had. Cab, however, seems to be still around, which makes me wonder why he voted already then.

EDIT: x-ed with Rick, Cab, and Bane

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Cab

Because when CM voted, there were like 6 others who had mostly vague IC postings (including you, I might add), but immediately picked out Boro as the only suspicious and votable one from that group. Hasty and ill-thought.

True; but what bothers me most is that she didn't even vote for him because of banter or not posting substance, she voted him on "gut-feeling" when there was hardly anything to base that feeling on. I just don't see that as a genuine vote.

Still, the more she is suspected, the more reluctant I am to suspect her too. I can totally see her as the easy Day 1 lynch we talk ourselves into and curse afterwards.

[McCaber]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Cab, however, seems to be still around, which makes me wonder why he voted already then.

I had suspicions and didn't feel like waiting until the last 10 minutes of the Night to get them hashed out. I don't like last-minute surprises.

EDIT: X'd with LG

[Bane Mantra]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Cab perhaps more so since Pom had to leave and I can see the Cop thing being the strongest suspicion she had.

But then Pom warns us to be suspicious of people voting for Cop, which includes Pom. Don't you find that to be a bit incongruous?

Edit: x'd with Cab

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Cab

I had suspicions and didn't feel like waiting until the last 10 minutes of the Night to get them hashed out. I don't like last-minute surprises.

Fair enough - although unless I'm mistaken, it's still over an hour until deadline. For myself, I'm seldom so sure on Day 1 that I'd feel ready to make a decision with that long still to go (provided that I was around until DL, anyway), especially since quite a lot tends to happen during the last two hours.

Originally Posted by Bane

But then Pom warns us to be suspicious of people voting for Cop, which includes Pom. Don't you find that to be a bit incongruous?

I do, as I briefly pointed out in my long post; seriously though, I very much doubt she did that without knowing exactly how incongruous it would sound. It is probably to be disregarded if she was joking; it is more than a bit hypocritical if she was serious, but I'm not sure what that points to, if anything.

[Loslote]

Sorry I took so long - I got lost in the caves. Did you know some of them have more than one door? What kind of crazy design is that!

*ahem* Moving on.

I feel quite good so far about Greenie and Rikae - they seem to be reacting genuinely, from what I can tell. Bane is quite well-spoken for a newbie - his/her #113 made sense to me, in a fresh, new kind of way. Pom feels like she's trying to be reasonable and agreeable while actually being nothing of the sort, which makes me raise my eyebrows a bit. I'd have to say she's my top suspect right now.

EDIT: xed since Bane's 117

[Volo]

I try to bring out these thoughts in the form they came to me when I was rereading the whole Day chronologically and try not to be swayed by the later trend in reasoning.

First, rereading Kath, her responce in #13 is towards Loslote's #12 (in a OC manner) and not to the rather more substantial question in #9. Since trying to seem as clever as that in the first post, as Kath could be interpreted to do, would be near suicidal, I thought her to be a fellow troll, but not responding to the rather straight forward question in #9 in any way feels ingenuine, and could be intentionally upkeeping a mysterious air. Focusing discussion on such clever-like qualities is bad tact for the troll-guys, but since it has been mentioned before I felt fine with elaborating the talk.

Next over to Morsul in #24. His interpretation seems rather sensible to me, but at such a point saying stuff like rather easily holds the implication that the cobbler-accusant could also be the clever-troll. And bringing attention to that is fishy, or thoughtless.

Further off in the same vein, Nerwen in #64. The reaction is rather cold, and I know that's a vague and rethorical expression, thus more based in the gut.
So is Morsul and his theory about "Wonderful" clutching at straws or his genuine impression and reason to vote? To me it also feels a bit far-fetched, but then again, Day1...
Ok that said, Nerwen's #64 feels understandable and still there's a bit too little reasoning. Yet I'd like to hear more thoughts on the subject, especially from N.

Well, Gil and the now infamous #73. He's got my sympathies, due to past games and some personal similarities. Still, the vote felt like joining a ready case with rather slippery or not clearly expressed reasoning.
Spreading out votes on such colossal Day1 can be just as handy for catching Wizers on later Days. They have a slight group-mind compared to others and will have more power to influence votes on Day1, and using that influence will help us pick out the sources. Of course this happens for the price of Wizers potentially picking the Day1 lynch.

Concerning my own play style and post #72: I wanted to imply with the banter that I would be away for a while due to going to the gym and swimming (lifting rocks and having ears stuffed, haha). Obviously it wouldn't be understood, there's no context what so ever, but I have the fault of liking cryptic humour - much to the bafflement of even my flatmates. I solemnly swear that I'd rather learn to be more clear in my expression and that I am be ok with being asked what I was trying to say.

More thoughts, Gil does feel more like himself when he ought to be suspected, but have the luxury of time to reread and re-evaluate. I would for him to stay with us for longer, obviously if he was lucky enough to be on the troll-side.

[Bane Mantra]

Originally Posted by Volo

Well, Gil and the now infamous #73. He's got my sympathies, due to past games and some personal similarities. Still, the vote felt like joining a ready case with rather slippery or not clearly expressed reasoning.
Spreading out votes on such colossal Day1 can be just as handy for catching Wizers on later Days. They have a slight group-mind compared to others and will have more power to influence votes on Day1, and using that influence will help us pick out the sources. Of course this happens for the price of Wizers potentially picking the Day1 lynch.

Well, if the Wizzards do pick DayNight1's lynch, what of it? That's the trouble with a game this large - nobody can ever be certain of someone's identity, unless a Clever Troll speaks up about it. But the price, I feel, if not worth it, per se, is inevitable and we should use it to our advantage. Hunt down those that lead to a mislynch and squash 'em inter jelly, as it were.

Originally Posted by Volo

Concerning my own play style and post #72: I wanted to imply with the banter that I would be away for a while due to going to the gym and swimming (lifting rocks and having ears stuffed, haha). Obviously it wouldn't be understood, there's no context what so ever, but I have the fault of liking cryptic humour - much to the bafflement of even my flatmates. I solemnly swear that I'd rather learn to be more clear in my expression and that I am be ok with being asked what I was trying to say.

That's perfectly fine, then. Just wait 'til I start pulling elaborately mixed metaphors out of thin air.

EDIT: x'd with Rick and Cab

[Rikae]

Hm, never played with Bane before.

Originally Posted by Bane Mantra

But the price, I feel, if not worth it, per se, is inevitable and we should use it to our advantage. Hunt down those that lead to a mislynch and squash 'em inter jelly, as it were.

Which is exactly what a comfortable wizard watching innocents lynch innocents would be thinking.

Greenie is being very agreeable. It does not become an ordinary troll to be agreeable.

[Rikae]

Actually scratch that, Greenie is picking on Cab a bit. Makes me feel better about her, maybe.

[Volo]

Brin #67 How come is Rikae genuine. All she's done is troll around cheerfully and preach that banter is useless and banter about banter more so (which is a helpful observation, but only by so much).
Until Rikae #93 and gut feelings. Hard to say about that though, it feels like keeping low and with little reasoning it's hard to judge its genuinity.
Ok, now I'm clearly looking more closely at Rikae, so let's see what else there is.
Rikae #109 and I agree with her defense of Copper. More substance, but still no special genuine vibe.
I've forgot your Day1 strategy (mainly whether you're an optimist or pessimist concerning them), but toDay, you feel like potentially swimming under the radar, which feels somewhat off.

xd with #118 and the rest.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

And a good break yesterDay too. Questions: do we have Wizards among the Pom voters? Or among others who may have been trying to save her? Or, very possibly, both?

I would say, look most at people who don't try to save her, and are vaguely supportive of those who suspect her, but try to steer the lynch another way. One example comes to mind, which jumped out at me as fishy after I read the narration last Night/Day...

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I'll add...

[highlight*]++ McCaber[/highlight*]

So it's Pom now (first with as many votes) with which I agree - so any further votes could be telling us something.

He seems to be in favor of lynching Pom, but he's at the same time trying to push another candidate. As the situation sat, he'd just tied the two with Bane at least both around and still to vote. If he wanted to save a packmate without taking any ridiculous risks, that would be the way to go.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Pomegranate

Agh, now I don't know what to think of Cab! I'd say he's jumping a bandwagon, but he says he crossed with me and Rikae earlier, in which case his suspicions are at least somewhat his own, rather than joining general change of suspicion. And I really need to go. Keep an eye on people going for Cop I'd say.

Haha!

This post led me to suspect Pom heavily on D1 - not firstly because he said "keep an eye on Cop-voters", but rather because it felt like she panicked for the double-vote on Copper. Now that we know the other voter was CabWizard, the panic looks more understandable. And she even kind of defends Cab there!

The question sure stays: is this panic coming from only them two voting the same innocent troll, or is there a further reason to panic aka. them trying to save a third?

[Inziladun]

All right, I had a moment when I thought people were already making up their minds I was guilty. I was tired, and the fact that Rikae of all people was leading the charge induced me to rashness.
For what it's worth, I wouldn't do it again.

I had wanted to see Rikae as innocent, but instead saw what appeared to be blatant hypocrisy in the way she'd treated those who suspected Morsul compared to her tunnel vision toward me.

[Nogrod]

Voting D1

-11h #58 Coppermirror--> Boro (1)
-10h #60 Morsul --> Kath (1)
-8.30h #67 Brinn--> Nerwen (1)
-7.30h #73 Gil--> Nerwen (2)

-2.43h #101 Cab--> Coppermirror (1)
-2.39h #102 Pom--> Coppermirror (2) [xd w/ 101]

-1.10h #122 Rikae--> McCaber (1)
-1.02h #125 Green--> McCaber (2) [xd w/ 122]
-.55h #127 Inziladun--> Pom (1) [xd w/ 125]
-.46h #130 Ozban--> McCaber (3) [xd w/ 125, 127]
-.42h #131 Loslote--> Pom (2)
-.26h #136 Boro --> Coppermirror (3)
-.19h #139 Volo --> Nerwen (3)
-.16 #141 Sally --> Pom (3)
-.07h #146 Shasta -->Pom (4)
-.02h #148 Nog --> McCaber (4)

Did not vote: Bane Mantra, "Bane", Kath, "Kat", Nerwen, "Nerve"

Based on D1: looks less suspicious
Copper – two Wizards went for him with voting
Zil – if he is a Wizard his vote for Pom looks a bit daring
Rikae – Brinn says it quite without doubt she looks genuine (unlike from anyone else), she suspects Pom &McCaber (and votes the latter)
Sally – Her vote on Pom brings her in as a serious contender for lynch (alongside McCaber who is already there)

Based on D1: looks more suspicious
Nerwen – by implication: could be the reason two Wizards voted for the easiest lynch candidate t the point she started gathering votes + the fact that Pom clearly panicked somewhat realising what had happened.


More to come... (this is slow indeed)

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Nerwen – by implication: could be the reason two Wizards voted for the easiest lynch candidate t the point she started gathering votes + the fact that Pom clearly panicked somewhat realising what had happened.

Well, as I'm not a wolf, all I can say, it "could be"... except that it isn't. I think they both voted for Cop because she was, at that point, the only person "on the table" for whom a vote would look legitimate rather than a piece of obvious evil bandwaggonning.

[Nerwen]

See, having looked at the votes myself, in the light of knowing McCaber's role,
I no longer think the remaining Pom voters look so good as formerly.

It had already been said that Zil's was the safest of the four- you (Nog) turn this around and call it "daring", but why? Especially as, if you look at the actual discussion at time, there could have been no way of telling that Pom would soon be in major trouble. Her comment had raised eyebrows, but at the time he voted, no more than that, and everyone seemed to have moved on. It's all there on the page.

Sally's vote speaks much more for her innocence- nonetheless, supposing she is actually a wolf, we should remember that of the other waggons she could have climbed on at that point, one had attracted a lot of controversy, one already had two wolves in it- and the third was for McWolf anyway.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, as I'm not a wolf, all I can say, it "could be"... except that it isn't. I think they both voted for Cop because she was, at that point, the only person "on the table" for whom a vote would look legitimate rather than a piece of obvious evil bandwaggonning.

That is exactly possible. As is that Brinn didn't dream of Rikae (), or that Kath actually is a wolf...

So, I said the voting on D1 makes you look "more suspicious" (by implication), not that I strongly believe you are a Wizard. But that's D1 only thus far.

I'd like to see the other Days' voting through before making any stronger claims on anyone's suspiciousness or unsuspiciousness.

D2 actually coming soon.


EDIT: X'd with Nerwen X2