WW CI - Mutton yesterDay, mutton toDay and mutton toMorrow

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Cab

I had suspicions and didn't feel like waiting until the last 10 minutes of the Night to get them hashed out. I don't like last-minute surprises.

Fair enough - although unless I'm mistaken, it's still over an hour until deadline. For myself, I'm seldom so sure on Day 1 that I'd feel ready to make a decision with that long still to go (provided that I was around until DL, anyway), especially since quite a lot tends to happen during the last two hours.

Originally Posted by Bane

But then Pom warns us to be suspicious of people voting for Cop, which includes Pom. Don't you find that to be a bit incongruous?

I do, as I briefly pointed out in my long post; seriously though, I very much doubt she did that without knowing exactly how incongruous it would sound. It is probably to be disregarded if she was joking; it is more than a bit hypocritical if she was serious, but I'm not sure what that points to, if anything.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I very much doubt she [Pom] did that without knowing exactly how incongruous it would sound. It is probably to be disregarded if she was joking; it is more than a bit hypocritical if she was serious, but I'm not sure what that points to, if anything.

It feels pretty natural to me that - if she is just a troll that is - after voting and seeing there was another vote to Copper as well, just as the talk around him had started, she felt people should pay attention to it; even if she is herself included. I mean I could have said that if I were in her position.

Then again - and the trouble being - I could have said that also were I a wolf and in her position, just to make myself look considerate. A safe vote would be something a wolf would long for. Maybe a PomWizard thought her vote for Copper was safely reasoned when she sent it, but then seeing Cab's vote made her uneasy and she felt she had to downplay the idea she was bandwagoning, at least in any sneaky fashion?

Okay. Trying to look around for any better ideas...

EDIT: X'd from Lottie onwards aka. this page...

[A Little Green]

Anyway, I've got to go now. Voting for

++ McCaber

because of three things. The major one is his Cop-vote; not that he suspected Cop since I do that too, to a certain extent, but his suspicion of her just seems easy and eager, in a way. I agree with his points, but I'm made uneasy by his apparent lack of doubt in their validity, if that makes sense. The two other things: first, a gut feeling (which I am aware won't be helpful to anyone else), and second, his early-Day distortions of what other people had said. (Which might be just interpretations that are different than mine, though.) By themselves these last two things would not qualify for a reason to lynch anyone; it's more that they add to the feeling I got from the Cop-thing.

Sidenote: if Cab is a Wizer, I'd like a close look on Bane and the way he (or she? Which is it?) tried to point me to suspecting Pom over Cab when I said he was the more suspicious of the two.

Anyway, that's it from me toDay. Good Night!
(Or the other way round, whichever way you prefer.)


EDIT: x-ed with everything on this page and probably some more too! Why are you guys posting so fast?

[Inziladun]

DL falls in the midst of the workday, which I should have known would be a pitfall.

I don't like Gil's reasoning, but I've never played with him before, so I'm willing to let him pass for to(Day?Night?).

I'm not particularly keen on going for Nerwen at the moment, so I''ll make it

++Pom

for the vote on Cop, and the odd remark about watching everyone else.

x/d with last three

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

DL falls in the midst of the workday, which I should have known would be a pitfall.

I don't like Gil's reasoning, but I've never played with him before, so I'm willing to let him pass for to(Day?Night?).

I'm not particularly keen on going for Nerwen at the moment, so I''ll make it

++Pom

for the vote on Cop, and the odd remark about watching everyone else.

x/d with last three

I have to note that this was shortly (but more than three posts) after I voted for McCaber.

Day 2, Cab says:

Originally Posted by Cab

Well, we know Pom was right about there being at least one who voted for CM.

Har-de-har-har...

And Inzil replies

Originally Posted by Inzil

Yes indeed.

No, that's not really evidence against him, it just amuses me.

An evil McCaber does make Nog, look better, though. They both went after each other in ways that could have easily resulted in a lynch - although nothing that couldn't be wolf-on-wolf after all. Nog's vote for McCaber is interesting in this light. For a wolf, obviously, it would be pointless; well, for an innocent it's pointless too. His explanation was especially weird. No, no pass for Nog.

Kath is really under the radar and no one seems to be looking at her.

McCaber says of the Volo kill:

Originally Posted by McCaber

If the wizards thought he was a seer, it was probably because of his first fluffy post and something they saw in his lists. Maybe Morsul is in fact innocent and the wizards thought that only a seer would think that. Other than that, he looked really suspicious and probably would have gotten himself lynched a few days down the road. A really weird choice of wolf kill.

Could be that's the plain truth. Good way to make sense and be consistent.

Originally Posted by Inzil

I would think it's likely Nog is on the right track, and Volo should have said something to make them think he might be on to one of them. It really doesn't make a lot a sense otherwise. As many have noted, he wasn't exactly considered innocent, and probably would have been one of the prime lynch candidates for toNight.

And then in response to McCaber

Originally Posted by Inzil

So to the Wizards anyone who thinks Morsul is innocent must be a Seer? I was thinking someone else had said they thought Morsul was all right, but I don't recall now.

Yeah: Inzil. Although Copper and I were also ambivalent about Morsul, Inzil actually called the Morsul wagon "fabricated".

So is this "I don't recall" sarcasm? Does Inzil expect that everyone else remembers his one line from two (RL) days before? He certainly remembers who he suspected or not! At this poitn he just seems to be interested in furthering the "Volo looked seerish" theory without drawing attention to himself.

Inzil claims I look innocent after self-voting, along the lines that a wolf wouldn't at that point. Nah, this doesn't tell me anything. He could actually have changed his opinion of me or he could just be confident that I'll be lynched and stepping away from the bandwagon to avoid drawing attention the next day. After this Cab goes for Morsul. Inzil makes a vote for Gil that is essentially a throwaway, asking someone to join so it's not for nothing.

The day Gil was lynched Copper makes some statements about how the wolves won't defend him and he might not show up, and Inzil questions her about it. Something about one of them - something about the exchange, actually.

Huh, I just realized I put Nerwen in two different categories yesterday. I don't know what's going on with me. '

Anyway, today:

Originally Posted by Inzil

n other words, the same sort of "tunnel vision" you accused others of having toward Morsul? And by all means, explain your suspicion.

What? I didn't say any such thing. I said it was choreographed. By wizards. And we know now that it was, although we don't know to what extent.

And I said I didn't want to have "tunnel vision" anyway. Meaning, I didn't want to see evil because I expected to see it. But at this point, nonetheless, I'm pretty sure you're evil. I gave reasons both yesterday and today - not sure how you could have missed that! However, I'm confident the other trolls around here will be able to see where I'm coming from.

Originally Posted by Inzil

I encourage everyone to at least rely on your own instincts and conclusions this Night. Yes, there is another Night's leeway, thanks to Lottie, but don't let that move you into hastiness. Look back over things and make up your own mind.

I agree completely.

++Inzil

[Inziladun]

Since Rikae is exhibiting all the single-mindedness for which she castigated Morsul voters, I'll just take a page from her book.

++Inzil

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Since Rikae is exhibiting all the single-mindedness for which she castigated Morsul voters, I'll just take a page from her book.

++Inzil

You better be a wizard, because otherwise I'm going to be pretty angry with you for repeating this misrepresentation of what I said.

Lots of luck with the self-voting, really.

[Rikae]

I'd just like to point out:

Inzil apparently doesn't suspect me.
There are seven people here. Two are wolves.

If Inzil was innocent, and thought I was innocent (as he appears to) he would basically have just thrown away the lynch.

Nope, it makes much more sense if he's a wolf trying what "worked" for me.

And before he calls me a hypocrite (because that seems to be his thing now), I self-voted in a much larger village, when my vote, and my life, mattered much less.

This just makes me more confident I'm on the right track.

[satansaloser2005]

Re: Morsul. Ugh. Again? Seriously, man, stop acting guilty when you're not.

Re: Lottie. No surprise there. I had the sneaking suspicion she was our hunter (she's acted similarly once before), and had hoped she could do....well, what she did. I'm sad to see her go though. Good job, dear.

I'll be that guy and note that the wizards took out the main person who was against my lynch yesterDay (at least from what remember of what I've read). There may be something there, or it may be coincidental.

Re: McCaber. So the McCobbler was in fact a McWizard, was he? Well, that changes some things. As is normally the case with McCaber, I don't pick up much from him, but I'll go back and look through his posts to see if I catch anything interesting.

Oh, and can we not almost lynch me next time I'm unexpectedly gone for the Day? That'd be great, thanks. >.<

I have a few thoughts in another tab that I'll be sharing soon, but I honestly believe it'll be an early night for me. I really haven't been sleeping well lately, and I actually need to be decently conscious to do my job tomorrow. Back soon.

[Loslote]

I can definitely see where the Cabbie suspicion is coming from...but I don't think I remember a McWolf acting like that. His behavior so far seems more like an ordo than a wolf. A wolf would care a bit more how he comes off, and I don't see this game's Cabbie doing that.

EDIT: xed with Volo and Zil

[Ozban]

++McCaber

I dislike his vote, rather too convenient and opportunistic. And his input up to that strikes me like attempt to make himself seen, yet adding nothing of value. Still we are at Day1 and I never played with him.
As to my previous doubts of Gil. I'd rather watch him somewhat longer. But still is high on my list 'to inspect'.

Xed with everyone since Nog #124.

[Loslote]

I don't suspect Cabbie. I think all three waves of suspicion (against Gil, Copper, and Cabbie) are too easy and, if not fueled by Wizardly trickery, at the very least unwise. I'm going to go ahead and vote

++Pom

because I do suspect her (...him?), and I think this is the most reasonable alternative to the bandwagons I don't agree with.

[Boromir88]

Well, now there is a counter-Cop wagon, to bus McCaber to the front. At least the voting should be revealing for the next Night. It's hard to determine any alignments right now with no hard evidence (in the form of at least one proven innocent or a proven wizard)...but there will be lots of voting to look at.