WW CI - Mutton yesterDay, mutton toDay and mutton toMorrow

[Inziladun]

I'm not impressed with Morsul's vote. I thought his initial explanation that he thought Rikae might be the purseholder at least plausible, if an unsound basis for a vote. But then he appeared to get nervous and backtrack.

So for me I think it's down to Morsul, Gil, or Boro.

The latter hadn't done anything to trip the radar until he seemed to get unnerved by Greenie. Why would an innocent not give her some room?

x/d with Sally and Nog

[Coppermirror]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

The latter hadn't done anything to trip the radar until he seemed to get unnerved by Greenie. Why would an innocent not give her some room?

What I am wondering is what a wizard would gain from her being voted for now. There was no indication that other people were likely to vote for her toDay, but I can only assume his vote was a genuine attempt, whether he's innocent or guilty.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Kath

Question about the Rikae debacle: has she actually quit? 'Cause if she has we're down another player assuming Bane is modkilled toDay. And if she has quit when will her death occur. ToNight? ToMorrow's end of Day?

Rikae, as far as I am aware, did nothing that would equal quitting.

Bane will be modfired at the end of toDay (unless he shows in 10 minutes and votes).

[Coppermirror]

I'm currently considering Morsul or Boro as things are getting late. But with the latter, I hate the idea of voting for Boro after someone I suspect as much as Gil has encouraged voted for him.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Copper

I'm currently considering Morsul or Boro as things are getting late. But with the latter, I hate the idea of voting for Boro after someone I suspect as much as Gil has encouraged voted for him.

Yeah Gil worries me, but I'm also worried about spreading out the votes too much.

[A Little Green]

Anyone else for Boro? I will vote Morsul over Rikae if it comes to that but would prefer Boro.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

I'm currently considering Morsul or Boro as things are getting late. But with the latter, I hate the idea of voting for Boro after someone I suspect as much as Gil has encouraged voted for him.

I think I concur.

++Gil

His voting is highly suspect, and he could tell us much about others, maybe.

Someone join me so this vote is not for nothing.

x/d with all since # 407

[Nogrod]

Torn between voting for Rikae to have her way or to try Boro (who fits both the idea the Wizards thought Volo the seer and looks suspicious toDay - and might be lynched...)

EDIT: X'd with a lot...

[A Little Green]

I'll be cannon fodder toMorrow if he dies and turns out innocent, but I'm willing to take that risk.

++ Boro

[Nogrod]

++ Boro


Here we go and hopefully see more toMorrow...

[satansaloser2005]

Slow!Sally is slow. Sorry, Kath. >.<

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

DEADLINE.

Stop posting. Boro is lynched. Narration to follow shortly.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

After the discovery of the mysterious letter in Vol's pocket, much of the night was spent by discussing its contents. The trolls had to take turn in attempts to read it for the others, since neither of the troll knew all the letters. Bane, who could not read at all, soon became bored. He excused himself (actually, he just walked out of the cave, since trolls are not big for excuses) and went off hunting. Similarly bored, Shaz had fallen asleep again.

Rick had been reading Vol's note for already who-knows-manieth time, when some of the trolls finally were able to focus their brains on something else than just the different letters.

"I wonder how comes Rick can read so well," Nog observed.
"Lumme, if I knows!" said Rick, looking up from the note.
"What if she's a wizzer?" Nerve suggested.
"If I am a wizzer?" Rick asked inattentively.
"She said 'I am a wizzer!'" Mors yelled. "She's a wizzer!"
"I was jus' repeatin' what you said," Rick retorted. "You lot said if I'm a wizzer..."
"Again!" shouted Nerve. "She said it again!"
"It's pretty strange," Bore chimed in, "tha' she says 'I'm a wizzer'..."
"Bore's a wizzer!" shouted Gil. "He jus' said it!"
"Wha', did I say I'm a wizzer?" asked Bore, confused.
"'e said it again!" shouted Green. "Let's get 'im!"
Before Bore could react, Nog and Brin caught him by the arms and pinned him to the wall.
"Wha' are you gonna do with me?" Bore yelled.
"Hey, righ', what should we do with 'im?" Lad asked.
"I'm hungry again," said Kat. "What if we roasted him?"

Everyone seemed to like the idea, since the trolls are almost always thinking about food, unless they are trying to concentrate on something else very hard, like reading. They began gathering fuel and started bringing it into the cave. They left Bore in front of the cave, tied by several very thick ropes so that he won't escape. The gathering of fuel took pretty long, because the trolls needed a big fire to roast Bore.

"Hey, careful," Sal suddenly said, noticing light glow in the east. "The sun will get up soon." She was right, the trolls had spent most of the night by trying to read the letters in Vol's note one by one, then again long time discovering what it meant, and then again long time gathering wood.

"Everyone inside!" Lad yelled in fear. Forgetting about everything in the view of the dreaded daylight coming soon, the trolls all ran into the cave.
"Where's Bane?" Cop asked suddenly.
"'e went a-'untin'," said Cab.
"But he's really bad in findin' his way," said Lot.
"He won't make it," Brin added.

He didn't. And neither did Bore, who in the general confusion was left in front of the cave, in plain daylight, which soon came streaming onto the mountain slopes. Bore cried in pain, then stopped still, and remained still forever, turned into stone.

Somewhere on the edge of the forest, not that far from the cave, but too late to return home from his hunt, stood Bane, also turned into a boulder he always had been.


~*~


Dumb and Dead
Thinlómien, "Lom", dispatched by the Wizards as a threat on Night 1
Legate of Amon Lanc, "Leg", dispatched by the Wizards as a threat on Night 1
Pomegranate, "Pom", a Wizard, boiled and eaten on Day 1
Ozban, "Oz", an Ordinary Troll, crushed to death by a troll pyramid on Day 2
Volo, "Vol", Traitor Troll, magically opened up like a door on Night 3
Bane Mantra, "Bane", an Ordinary Troll, turned into stone while hunting (modfired) on Day 3
Boromir88, "Bore", Ordinary Troll, forgotten outside the cave and turned into stone on Day 3

Dumb and Walking
A Little Green, "Green"
Brinniel, "Brin"
Coppermirror, "Cop"
Gil-Galad, "Gil"
Inziladun, "Lad"
Kath, "Kat"
Loslote, "Lot"
McCaber, "Cab"
Morsul the Dark, "Mors"
Nerwen, "Nerve"
Nogrod, "Nog"
Rikae, "Rick"
satansaloser2005, "Sal"
Shastanis Althreduin, "Shaz"


~*~


Night 4 starts. Wizzers, start talking. Clever Troll, Insomniac, Purse-troll, send us your picks. Others, sleep.

[Thinlómien]

By now, dear readers, you must be familiar with how this story goes. The trolls go to sleep as the sun rises, and the wizards go out and enjoy the daylight and the birdsong. They speak words that sound wise, they argue and in the end, they decide which one of the trolls they find the most menacing.

Then they creep back to the troll cave and one of them says something - usually something quite obvious - such as: "Okay, let's kill this one."
"But how?" someone asks, because wizards enjoy listening to their own voices, and those of their intelligent fellows.

So this day, one of the wizards pointed out: "See the sleeping bag she is using as her blanket?"
"Stolen from some poor traveler, no doubt," spat the second one. "It's barely large enough to cover her belly. Maybe it once belonged to some merchant or a merry elf who met a dreadful fate."
"A precious work, it must have been, before this beast dirtied it," opined the third. "Look at those finely shaped silver studs that were used to hold it together."
"Exactly," interjected the first wizard with a grim smile. "Watch."

He stepped closer, raised his staff and began to sing in a deep, quiet voice. First, nothing happened, but then, as if by a stir of the wind, the blanket - or actually, the sleeping bag - shifted, and then slid upwards, and wrapped itself tight around the troll's chest and throat like a strangling snake. The wizard clapped his hands, and as if commanded, the studs clicked into their places and the sleeping bag squeezed the troll, her chest and her throat pressed to the point that the sleeping bag would have burst, had it not been held together by an invisible force. The troll was now awake, her bulging eyes popping out, but she could not make a sound, not even gasp for air. She struggled in vain, the studs held, as the sleeping bag continued squeezing her, and at last, she stopped struggling and became still.

"That's done," the wizard smiled and turned to his fellows.
"How impressive," the second one nodded.
"How did you come by this idea?" asked the third.
"I once gave a friend a set of magical studs that fastened and never came unfastened until commanded," the first said. "But this troll would never have had the chance to unfasten those."

The wizards walked back into the shadows, sniggering under their beards.

When they woke up in the evening, the rest of the trolls found Brin's body. They searched the corner in which she slept. Hidden underneath her straw bedding, they found a small slab of flat stone, inscribed with complicated geographic data, philosophical thoughts and mathematical operations:

"Cave haz entrance."

"I am. Hungry."

"1+1=2"

There could be no doubt - Brin had been the Clever Troll.


~*~


Dumb and Dead
Thinlómien, "Lom", dispatched by the Wizards as a threat on Night 1
Legate of Amon Lanc, "Leg", dispatched by the Wizards as a threat on Night 1
Pomegranate, "Pom", a Wizard, boiled and eaten on Day 1
Ozban, "Oz", an Ordinary Troll, crushed to death by a troll pyramid on Day 2
Volo, "Vol", the Traitor Troll, magically opened up like a door on Night 3
Bane Mantra, "Bane", an Ordinary Troll, turned into stone while hunting (modfired) on Day 3
Boromir88, "Bore", an Ordinary Troll, forgotten outside the cave and turned into stone on Day 3
Brinniel, "Brin", the Clever Troll, strangled to death with the assistance of magical studs on Night4

Dumb and Walking
A Little Green, "Green"
Coppermirror, "Cop"
Gil-Galad, "Gil"
Inziladun, "Lad"
Kath, "Kat"
Loslote, "Lot"
McCaber, "Cab"
Morsul the Dark, "Mors"
Nerwen, "Nerve"
Nogrod, "Nog"
Rikae, "Rick"
satansaloser2005, "Sal"
Shastanis Althreduin, "Shaz"


~*~


Day 4 has started. No PMing anymore, but discussion is welcome on this thread instead.

[Coppermirror]

++Morsul

[Coppermirror]

Well, this is bad...

Better go and look for hints from Brin, then.

[Coppermirror]

^ I must have clicked on one of the icon things on the reply page by accident, because there's a tree icon on my post there. Don't bother trying to read anything into it, since I didn't mean to put it there.

[McCaber]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

^ I must have clicked on one of the icon things on the reply page by accident, because there's a tree icon on my post there. Don't bother trying to read anything into it, since I didn't mean to put it there.

You're secretly an ally of Gondor! But the wizards already killed the cobbler, so I guess that means you're super secretly a wizard!

But seriously, losing a seer this early sucks. Now I have do back and perform an analysis of what Brinn might have thought and what the wizards saw in her. Let's hope she saw something useful, and not that say Boro was innocent and no one believed her. Anyway, I'll be back with hopefully a better picture of her than the normal reads I got over the rest of the game.

[McCaber]

Brinnalysis; or, The Seer Is Seen
Post 51: says banter is overrated. Mentions no names.
Post 53: says me, Pom, and Morsul look better for making good posts.
Post 67: Rikae looks good, CM, Sally, and Nerwen looks bad. Votes Nerwen.
Post 178: says me and CM were most likely innocent.
Post 179: says wolf-on-wolf voted were unlikely on day 1, and calls out Sally and Shasta especially.
Post 187: a big list. Likes: me, Morsul, Nerwen, Sally, Rikae, Inzil, Gil, Boro, Lottie, Greenie, CM, Shasta. Dislikes: Volo, Oz, and Nogrod . Whole lot of noise, not enough signal. Her opinions haven't really changed about anyone since day 1.
Post 199: says Nog might be the cobbler. False.
Post 203: list of everyone. Still no real changes. Nog is her #1 suspect still alive now.
Post 207: doesn't know what to think of Morsul.
Post 212: Nog looks better, Nerwen is still an unknown.
Post 213: votes Volo. So far it looks like he might have been one of her dreams.
Post 290: surprise that Volo got nightkilled. Yeah, that comes close to confirming that hypothesis for me. Says there might be a wizard who voted for Pom, but no names.
Post 295: clarification - either Shasta or Sally.
Post 296: Morsul looks non-suspicious.
Post 304: More vindication of Morsul.
Post 305: Rikae sounds innocent, Nerwen sounds suspicious.
Post 324: Rikae still looks innocent.
Post 353: Nerwen looks fishy, but she stresses that she doesn't know.
Post 358: tells off Morsul.

Edited To Add:
Posts 359 and 362: nothing new.
Post 369: starts suspecting Gil.
Post 371: sill worried about Nog.
Post 373: more about wizard motivations.
Post 381: says Gil and Nogrod are her top suspects.
Post 393: could vote Boro.
Post 403: on Rikae.
Post 408: worried by Gil, but wants to make a lynch count.
Post 416: votes Boro.

And that's all she wrote.

[Morsul the Dark]

Well stinks about Brinn. Sort of confused about the sudden Boro wagon at the end of yesterday.

[Coppermirror]

Brinniel, the only clever troll among us...

Day 1

#63 - votes Nerwen.
- feels good about Rikae
- doesn't like my vote
- lets Morsul's Kath suspicion go for now
- doesn't like Sally's banter, "but then again it is Sally".
- reasoning for Nerwen vote is "While I don't feel terribly confident in my vote, she has displayed the most suspicious behavior to me so far."

Based on that, she might have dreamed of Rikae on Night 1. Might have dreamed of Nerwen, but she said she wasn't terribly confident in her vote, so probably didn't.

Day 2

#178 - looks at Nerwen's scenarios for Pom's Day 1 motivation, and thinks the innocent-McCaber option is most likely. Guilty McCaber option is "is possible, but I don't find it very likely".

Hard to say from this whether she dreamed of McCaber. This is also phrased in uncertain terms. Perhaps there is something more concrete later.

#179 - doesn't think wolf-on-wolf votes are likely. Thinks if so would have been one of the earlier voters, and that Sally and Shasta would have had "to be very bold to throw a packmate under the bus like that so early in the game".

#187 - gives her impressions!

Nerwen - Likes her contribution that Day so far. (Indication that she dreamed of her?)
Morsul - thinks his actions are his playing style and that that tells us nothing of his role. (Definitely won't have dreamed of him.)
Sally - her vote for Pom makes her think she's innocent. (Might have dreamed of her, but I doubt it.)
McCaber - leaning towards him being more innocent than not, because of Pom's comment. She didn't find his vote very suspicious. (So, might have dreamed of him, but there's nothing clear.)
Gil - says that like Morsul, his playing style looks suspicious regardless of role.
Inzil - "his behavior doesn't strike me as suspicious". (Probably didn't dream of him.)
Nogrod - "I'm not sure about Nogrod, but he's definitely one to watch." (Might have been planning to dream of him? Or might have already?)
Rikae - she has all sorts of positive things to say about Rikae. I think she probably dreamed of her on Night 1.
Volo - "A bit suspicious".
Boromir - So far, sees no reason to suspect him. (But she obviously didn't dream of him.)
Copper - thinks I'm looking more likely to be innocent based on Pom's vote. (But I doubt she'd have bothered to dream of me.)
Oz - is suspicious of him. But we know she didn't dream of him.
Lottie - "I don't see anything suspicious in her posts and her vote makes her look even less suspicious. I'm leaning towards probably innocent.". (Might have dreamed of her?)
Bane: - didn't say much.
Greenie: - "So far, I'm thinking she looks more on the innocent side." based on her vote and interactions. (Dreamed of her? I'd guess not, but she might have.)
Kath: - didn't say much.
Shasta - his vote "makes it seem unlikely that he isn't innocent". (Could be a dream? But I doubt it.)

None of that except the Rikae thing stands out, and even that could plausibly be based on non-clever-trolliness. If she stays positive about Rikae, she probably did dream her on Night 1.

#199 - thinks that the Cobbler-Nog theory is good. So she probably didn't dream of him?

I'll just quote her next list.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Looking Innocentish
Sally
Rikae
Copper
Greenie
Shasta

Feeling Okay About
McCaber
Inzil
Loslote

Not Sure
Nerwen
Morsul
Gil
Boromir
Kath

Will Keep an Eye On
Nogrod
Bane

Looking Suspicious
Volo
Oz

Her looking suspicious list there...might indicate that she dreamed of Volo, but I'd guess not. This is hard. I can see why the wolves didn't peg her as the clever troll earlier. So, maybe the key is somewhere in Day 3.

#178 - comments on Oz and Morsul. Might be defending Morsul?

#212 - something Nog says makes her think better of him as it sounds like "typical Nog". Of Nerwen, says that "I certainly don't trust Nerwen, though at this point I no longer find her all that suspicious. Which is why I placed her in my "Not Sure" category.".

That's hard to interpret. Could indicate that she dreamed of her, but might not.

#123 - votes Volo.

And that's the end of Day 2 for Brin. I'll probably come back in a while to look at Day 3.

Conclusions so far: I think she dreamed of Rikae Night 1, but I'm really not sure about who it might be on Night 2.

[McCaber]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

Conclusions so far: I think she dreamed of Rikae Night 1, but I'm really not sure about who it might be on Night 2.

I'm pretty sure Rikae got dreamed of at some point. Otherwise, I'm not sure she would have defended her so passionately yesterday otherwise.

[Coppermirror]

Brin Day 3.

#290 - Surprised about Volo being killed. Thought he looked suspicious, but that his posts didn't stand out as Seerish.

#295 - Considers possibility of one of Sally and Shasta being a wizard, talks about how the Volo kill might be misdirection.

#296 - "While I'm still not sure about Morsul, he hasn't struck me as particularly suspicious."

So, if she dreamed of him, he was probably innocent. But it's hard to tell if she did dream of him.

#304 - defends Morsul, thinks he's not necessarily displaying wizard behaviour.

#305 - thinks Rikae's behaviour is frustrated-innocent-Rikae behaviour. Is suspicious of Nerwen for jumping on that. (So she probably didn't dream of Nerwen?)

#324 - more defence of Rikae. It's clear she must have dreamed of her.

#353 -

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I'm not sure what to think of Nerwen. I really don't like how she's acting toward Rikae, yet I've seen many times two players going at it both end up innocent. And the wizards will just eat that up because if one gets lynched and is revealed innocent, the other can be set up as a prime lynch candidate the following Day.

We probably need to be examine Nerwen carefully. My impression is that Brin probably hadn't dreamed of her before, and that chances are she would have dreamed of her this Night if she hadn't been killed.

What do you think, is it possible she'd already dreamed of Nerwen?

#362 - Wonders if Shasta might get a free pass. I'd guess from this that she hadn't dreamed of him.

#369 - A post full of suspicions of Gil, although phrased quite mildly.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I recall seeing this behavior from both an evil and innocent Gil. And I do wonder if perhaps a Gil-wolf may be relying on this behavior to appear as a frustrated ordinary innocent.

That and his inconsistency in suspicion has me worried about him. I did see that he posted that he might not participate much toDay. I do hope he shows up before deadline though, because I'd like to hear from him.

#371 - Is also worried about Nogrod. I agree with her conclusions.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Not worried about
Rikae: Just looks like a frustrated ordo.
Copper: As already stated, I'm still thinking that Pom's vote was probably not wolf-on-wolf.
Greenie: I'm feeling good about her posts toDay. They seem well thought-out and logical enough.
Shasta: Hope he shows up toMorrow.
Inzil: His Day 1 vote makes him look more innocent and he hasn't said anything to change my opinion of that.
Loslote: Already was leaning innocent because of her Day 1 vote, plus I like what she's said toDay and agree with a lot of it.
Bane: Will probably be modfired.
Sally: I suppose there's always the possibility she's a very sneaky wizard who threw her mate under the bus, but I see no reason to suspect her.
Boromir: Still not sure about him, but I like what he's said toDay.
Nerwen: Like Rikae, looks more like a frustrated innocent.

Not sure what to think
Morsul: His behavior never fails to confuse me. I'm slightly leaning toward innocent, but still feeling uncertain.
McCaber: I don't know. Pom trying to place focus on him makes him look better, but I'm still at a question mark.
Kath: I didn't like her vote yesterDay; she seemed to simply echo others' comments. But she was a bit behind, so that might be part of it.

Worried about (for reasons already stated)
Gil
Nogrod

That makes it quite clear that she hadn't dreamed of several people. We already know she must have dreamed of Rikae, but aside from her she might have dreamed of Lottie, Greenie, or Nerwen. Probably didn't dream of McCaber or Morsul after all. In fact, I'm sure she didn't dream of Morsul, based on her next post.

#387-

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Gil and Nogrod would be my top choices. I'd rather not vote Morsul, but if it came between him and Rikae, I would choose Morsul.

So I don't think she dreamed of Morsul, but it looks like Gil or Nog-lynchin' time. Probably Gil, because it looks as if she dreamed of him and it's not so clear whether she dreamed of Nog.

#408 -

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Yeah Gil worries me, but I'm also worried about spreading out the votes too much.

#420 -

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Inzil, I would've preferred lynching Gil, but spreading out the votes seemed risky and I don't think enough suspected him for him to be lynched toDay.

Yep, looks like we're lynching Gil toDay. I was already planning on voting for him (after kicking myself for my vote yesterDay), but this just sets that in diamond. We could discuss Gil more, but the time could probably be better used on working out the identities of the other wizards.

Anyway. Gil, have you got any defence?

And Greenie, presumably your reasons from yesterDay weren't the only ones you had for suspecting Boro. Could you tell us now about what the rest was?

[Coppermirror]

On the assumption that Gil really is a wizard:

- There's a chance that, given Gil's apparent usual playing style, they will have thought right from the start that there was a good risk of him being lynched for that. Accordingly, they probably took some extra care when talking about him, and would have been ready in advance to bus him. I think that's something we should bear in mind when looking back on previous Days.

- So, they certainly wouldn't defend him toDay. And Gil might not even bother to show up. All these things will limit the information available to us.

- We can best use the day in looking for the other wizards. To stay quiet and to allow the wizards to stay quiet is to lose the opportunity to gather more info.

[Nerwen]

Okay. It looks like Rikae must be innocent, and Rikae, I'm sorry I suspected you. However, I did believe you needed looking at, and I countered your arguments because I thought they were really strange and didn't make sense. And the fact is, I have seen you behave that way as a wolf. Okay?

[Nerwen]

Regrading Gil-

I think it must be him, yes.

As always, the alternative are random/no trace and misdirection, i.e. "clearing" a Rikwolf or framing an innocent Gil- but that seems unlikely to me.

If Gil is innocent, and it was Brinn's defence of Rikae alone that tipped them off, you'd think they should have gone for Loslote instead, as she actually went so far as to vote me for suspecting Rikae.. You know, it could have looked like the overreaction of a Seer thinking "anyone who votes my dreamed innocent must be evil! Die!" (If she's innocent, of course.)

EDIT: x'd with Coppermirror; x'd with Cop, Zil, Morsul.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Regrading Gil-

I think it must be him, yes.

As always, the alternative are random/no trace and misdirection, i.e. "clearing" a Rikwolf or framing an innocent Gil- but that seems unlikely to me.

That doesn't even make sense. If they thought Brinn was an ordo, her death wouldn't "clear" me anyway. That is, unless they can expect the village to assume that wolves only ever kill people who suspect them.

No offense, but I don't know what to make of you, Nerwen. You really are saying a lot that doesn't make sense, and I wouldn't expect that from you as an innocent or a wizard.

At any rate, yes, it could have been they just got lucky and killed the seer thinking it was a no trace kill, in which case Gil would be innocent. I wouldn't be so sure about him if Brinn's last post hadn't looked like a hint. Even so I'm not as certain about it as you and Copper seem to be. I don't think she'd risk misleading the village by making a whole separate post about how she wanted to lynch Gil - I wouldn't - but I can't be sure.

I would like to hear from him, anyhow.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Rikae

That doesn't even make sense. If they thought Brinn was an ordo, her death wouldn't "clear" me anyway. That is, unless they can expect the village to assume that wolves only ever kill people who suspect them.

Hence my saying it was unlikely. Really don't think there's any call for you to say I'm not making sense.

[Inziladun]

So people are leaning toward Gil being the main suspect?
I've thought he looked dodgy anyway, hence my vote yesterNight. I have to wonder why they didn't choose me instead of Brinn though, unless they took a chance that I was too careless in my suspicions to be a Seer.

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

On the assumption that Gil really is a wizard:

- There's a chance that, given Gil's apparent usual playing style, they will have thought right from the start that there was a good risk of him being lynched for that. Accordingly, they probably took some extra care when talking about him, and would have been ready in advance to bus him. I think that's something we should bear in mind when looking back on previous Days.

- So, they certainly wouldn't defend him toDay. And Gil might not even bother to show up. All these things will limit the information available to us.

You seem rather sure of how things with Gil have and will play out.

[Coppermirror]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

You seem rather sure of how things with Gil have and will play out.

That's my guess for how things might be if Gil is a wizard (which is unconfirmed, but I do think it's quite likely that Brin dreamed of him). If you've got other ideas or interpretations, please do go over them.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

That's my guess for how things might be if Gil is a wizard (which is unconfirmed, but I do think it's quite likely that Brin dreamed of him). If you've got other ideas or interpretations, please do go over them.

It just seemed odd that you thought it likely he wouldn't show up to defend himself.

[Coppermirror]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

It just seemed odd that you thought it likely he wouldn't show up to defend himself.

Oh, okay. I was thinking that if he's a wizard and he thought things were totally hopeless for him, he might not even show up, in order to limit the amount of information he might give us in the course of mounting a defence.

[Coppermirror]

Back and reading...

[Coppermirror]

I have to vote within the next hour, and I intend to vote for Gil. For his fishy logic on Day 2, the possibility that Volo was killed for suspecting him, his vote yesterDay, and that I believe Brin probably dreamed of him. That's so much suspicion that I really have to find out if he's a wizard at this point. I realise that there's also a chance she might have dreamed of Nog instead and found him guilty, and indeed, Nog's Day 1 voting was suspicious, but in terms of Brin's dreams I think Gil is the better bet. If that turns out to be wrong I'd probably want to vote Nog tomorrow.

I won't vote until I have to, though, just in case someone comes up with an argument that persuades me before then.

[Gil-Galad]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

Nog's Day 1 voting was suspicious, but in terms of Brin's dreams I think Gil is the better bet. If that turns out to be wrong I'd probably want to vote Nog tomorrow.

I will hold it to you to vote Nog tomorrow if you decide to vote for me toDay. We got super lucky on the first day, and now it is just going downhill for us and we are losing a lot of innocents. I understand that this game is about senseless lynchings, but I just want to feel good that a Wolf gets killed after me.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

So... you're saying you think she did dream you, Gil? You know what that implies, right?

Of course I do. It implies that she would have known my true role in this and would have looked at other trolls aside from me toDay, if she survived.

The way it looks, Nerwen and Inz are all gung-ho to lynch me toDay along with others non-committed but leaning towards it. I will state what I have stated before: I am innocent, a lynch of me would prove that, and you can assume this is just being a tricksy wolf trying to avoid lynchings, but I have accepted the possible inevitable and just ask that look at the trolls that were so persistent on an easy kill for me.

I do not like Nerwen's postings, not since her day 1 defense against me. When she got the spotlight, she put in a lot of effort to shake it off, and when she wanted to vote for someone she did not tarry off the path. An innocent would want to get as many wolves out as possible, a Wolf would focus on one at a time. Look back at her posts and decide yourself, this is what I feel.

With that said,

++Nerwen

It is up to you my friends, we really need to get a wolf kill in here.

Xed: with Cop

[Coppermirror]

++Gil

Hopefully this will be correct. I won't be back before the deadline.

[Morsul the Dark]

Here's my worry.

If Gil is nota wizard that means they've got two easy lynches to pull out at a critical time.

Both I and him seem to be easy to throw suspicion at. I don't play with him often, some things he says are odd, but I Think I understand.

I know why I come under fire. Because I say every idea that comes into mind while posting I don't care whether or not it'll sound suspicious, if someone wishes they can twist what is said anyway. which leads to "sloppy" posts sometimes.

I think I have to look into some people really going after me and Gil It's easy to suspect us, so those voters might be throwing suspicion thus looking helpful without actually accomplishing much.