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Gil-Galad · 01-28-2013, 12:42 PM

My question to you Rik is that by claiming Ner and myself to be doing a wolf on wolf tactic, after I get lynched are you going to go after her? At least, once you discover the truth.

satansaloser2005 · 01-28-2013, 12:51 PM

Re: My possibly moot defense of Nerwen. See Boro and how rather sudden that was. Wackier things have happened.

I see little people. I'm off. Do well, fair village, and try not to bicker more while I'm gone.

Inziladun · 01-28-2013, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Gil-Galad

Inz and Nog are definitely the two we need to look at.

After that you vote Nerwen?

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

Actually I haven't been particularly "gung-ho" to lynch you- not more than anyone else and less than some. The person who has been strongest and most consistant in pushing for your lynchng toDay is Cop, whom you don't even mention. Why pick on me? It seems so random...

I could say the same. I haven't been particularly bullish on lynching Gil toNight, though I did vote for him yesterNight.

Nogrod · 01-28-2013, 01:50 PM

I'm very sorry I haven't been able to take part thus far toDay (I managed to skim through some of the early posts during my early afternoon - about midway to the Day). Too much work; teaching, meetings, things to plan for the rest of the week... And now I have to make an exam for my class for tomorrow before I do anything else.

But I'll be back later and try to make as an informed vote I can produce. I should have more time on the next Day if I get that far.

Kath · 01-28-2013, 02:48 PM

I'm going to vote now as I'm about to move between houses and am liable to forget.

++sally

I think the way she was around Gil - half defending him and then voting for him was odd. Also I'd rather the Day didn't end up just being the whole village bandwaggoning onto one vote.

McCaber · 01-28-2013, 02:53 PM

Well, I am at work today and have limited time. Nothing Gil has posted so far today has started to allay my suspicions, so without further ado

++ Gil

Inziladun · 01-28-2013, 03:09 PM

I'm at work myself and it's turned out busier than I'd thought.

Gil does seem a rather easy pick, but he really hasn't done anything to make himself look better in my eyes. He's been inconsistent with his statements toNight and falsely claimed I was one of the prime movers against him. If he is indeed evil, it could be a ploy to , as he himself said, "take me down with him".

Kath's vote is interesting, and I can sort of appreciate her reasoning there. What to make of it though isn't clear at the moment.

x/d with Morsul

Coppermirror · 01-29-2013, 04:10 PM

Terrible luck yesterDay.

I suggest that each of us does an analysis on at least two people, if possible. Maybe take the next two people down on the alphabetical list, or something like that. (So for me, that would be Inzil and Kath.) I'll be back later to work on that.

Inziladun · 01-29-2013, 04:14 PM

One more bad lynch and it's over, I think. 10 players, 7:3 good to evil.

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Originally Posted by Coppermirror

I suggest that each of us does an analysis on at least two people, if possible. Maybe take the next two people down on the alphabetical list, or something like that. (So for me, that would be Inzil and Kath.) I'll be back later to work on that.

I guess that would give me Lottie and Cab then? I'll do my best to get at least one of them. We're expecting bad weather in my neck of the woods though, so no guarantees.

Inziladun · 01-29-2013, 04:53 PM

First post: Banter, with a comment about Kath maybe calling out Ozban as a Wizard. Looks lighthearted on the surface, though I would not think it wise to draw attention to something like that, myself.

#2: Response to Rikae with more banter.

#3: Likes Greenie, Rikae, and Nog. Says of Pom "Pom feels like she's trying to be reasonable and agreeable while actually being nothing of the sort, which makes me raise my eyebrows a bit. I'd have to say she's my top suspect right now."

#4: Concludes Cab is more like an ordo than a wolf.

#5: Votes Pom (second vote) because she didn't agree with the bandwagons on Cop, Gil, and Cab.

#6: Casts a little suspicion on Nog because "He seems to be in favor of lynching Pom, but he's at the same time trying to push another candidate. As the situation sat, he'd just tied the two with Bane at least both around and still to vote. If he wanted to save a packmate without taking any ridiculous risks, that would be the way to go."

#7: Calls out Morsul for calling Cab "innocent", and for suspecting her for her Pom-vote.

#8: Responds to Nerwen's words about Nog possibly being the Traitor. Agrees it's possible.

#9: Votes Morsul, for the earlier suspicions she raised and because she thought Nog was more likely to be the Traitor.

#10: Reacts to Volo's death. Jokes that it must mean Boro's a Wizard.

#11: Makes a list of the Night 1 and Night 2 votes. Concludes Nerwen is suspicious.

#12: Argues with Nerwen about Rikae. Says the former looks like a Wizard "taking advantage of an easy kill."

#13: Still defending Rikae from Nerwen.

#14: Votes Nerwen for earlier suspicions, and apparently to save Rikae.

#15: Doesn't like Boro's vote for Greenie (which he'd done for Greenie's unexplained suspicion of him.

#16: Says Nerwen is still suspicious, but now so is Gil.

#17: Doesn't think Gil and Nerwen are both evil.

#18: Questions Morsul for suspecting her for thinking Gil suspicious.

#19: Votes Gil, saying he "looks half like a wolf trying to a) incriminate Nerwen or b) make her look good."

And that's it thus far. Conclusions to follow.

McCaber · 01-29-2013, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

One more bad lynch and it's over, I think. 10 players, 7:3 good to evil.

Do't we have this one and one more if the ranger doesn't get any more saves? Last I played it was when villagers = wolves that we lost. Of course, I've been gone for a while so I might be misremembering.

Anyway, I've got to look at Morsul and Nerwen? I can do that, I think.

Nerwen · 01-29-2013, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Coppermirror

Terrible luck yesterDay.

I suggest that each of us does an analysis on at least two people, if possible. Maybe take the next two people down on the alphabetical list, or something like that. (So for me, that would be Inzil and Kath.) I'll be back later to work on that.

So that would be Morsul and Nog for me? I'll see what I can do, but the trouble is I'm very pressed for time toDay.

Nerwen · 01-29-2013, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

Except I haven't 'poked' at him any more than anyone else has. He just suddenly started screaming that I was persecuting him- why me rather than others I don't know. See for yourself: the "Nerwen-Gil" drama is of Gil's making, not mine.

Fair enough. In this case, it is mostly Gil. Option 2 is probably much less likely than Option 4, though I still don't think a wolf!Gil and an innocent![/b]Nerwen[/b] would be acting like this.

Zil, at your #17 there, I'm pretty sure she's saying she thinks we are both wolves.

I'll just check what the "options" were.

Morsul the Dark · 01-29-2013, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

So that would be Morsul and Nog for me? I'll see what I can do, but the trouble is I'm very pressed for time toDay.

Actually Nog and Rikae.

Coppermirror · 01-29-2013, 10:23 PM

This is my analysis of Inzil and Kath so far, going up to about page 10. I'm getting a bit tired, so I just want to post what I have so far. After a little bit I'll come back and finish the rest and make my conclusions.

Inzil

Votes
Day 1: Pom
Day 2: Ozban
Day 3: Gil
Day 4: Gil

#6 - banter.

#14 - banter. Says it's those who aren't up to no good who we have to worry about.

#23 - disagrees with Morsul, who had talked about something Pom said as a suggestion, saying "I wouldn't call it a "suggestion". A standard Day 1 statement, more like". I think it's unlikely that both Morsul and Inzil would be wizards and chatting about Pom-wizard like this on the very first page.

#71 - Decides to stop banter for now. Thinks that Morsul's vote is a stretch but wasn't too bad for a Day 1 vote. Jokes with Rikae about suspecting/voting for each other.

#78 - doesn't like Gil's vote reasoning.

#105 - vote count so far, and comments on oddness of Pom's comment.

#127 - votes Pom. Was willing to give Gil a pass, and didn't feel keen on voting Nerwen. He was the first voter for Pom. Would a wizard be the first voter for her? Maybe, but it's more likely that they wouldn't.

#153 - wonders if the wizards were among the Pom voters or outside them or in both.

#160 - Wants to look more closely at Nog, and wants to look at the McCaber voters. He thinks that the first of these was Rikae, whose vote he thought looked fairly innocent.

#170 - Comments on Morsul's placement of Lottie as his top suspicion. Fairly noncommittal but thinks she could have avoided voting for a mate entirely. Then comments on Morsul's opinion that if Lottie is a wizard, Nog may be cleared, agreeing that if the two were mates she would surely have come up with others to suspect. Then he comments on Nerwen's Pom analysis.

#171 - Responds to Lottie, saying she's not his top suspect for the day.

#198 - Says that common sense means that I'm unlikely to be a wizard, as there's no reason for Pom to have voted that way otherwise. Decides to focus on those who might have tried to save Pom: Boro, Volo, Nog.

#208 - Recaps votes. Gives impressions of each person's vote.

People he things look good: me, Rikae, Lottie, Shasta-innocent.
Of Greenie-innocent, thought that she could look bandwagony but her reasoning was good.
Thought that Ozban-innocent looked bad.
Concludes that the person whose vote looks worst from a Pom-saving perspective is Nog.

#235 - wonders who to vote for. Likes Nog's explanation, doesn't want to vote Boro in the latter's absence, and thinks Volo's vote was the least suspicious of the three. Suspicious of Gil's vote. Could vote for Ozban, and thinks the Morsul vote looks rather fabricated. (Hmm. Makes me wonder if my conclusion that there couldn't be a Morsul-Inzil pack before was too hasty.)

#237 - Decides Gil is being too careless to be a wizard, and votes Ozban.

#273 - Wonders why Volo caught wizard attention.

#275 - Wonders if Volo was the blocked Day 1 target or if it was something from the previous Day that made him the wizards' choice.

#293 - Thinks that Seer-suspicion makes the most sense for Volo's death and that if they wanted to mess with our heads they must have had other options.

#313 - Thinks a wizard Rikae would not have made that confession, and that makes him wonder about Nerwen's quick vote. Then rolls eyes at seeing Morsul's vote.

#314 - considers Morsul's statement that the only way Rikae is innocent is if she's the purseholder with a target in mind. (Incidentally, if the wizards do think that at present, then maybe that's why she wasn't killed. Or - actually, no, it's more likely that they just thought the insomniac troll would be defending her and needed another target. Or that they were aiming for the insomniac troll.)

#318 - thinks Morsul's reason for voting Rikae is better than Nerwen's.

Kath

Votes
Day 1: n/a
Day 2: Morsul
Day 3: Morsul
Day 4: Sally

#5 - Banter. This was the wizard of Oz reference that caused her to be suspected by Morsul as a possible cobbler. It's very unlikely to be a sign left by a wizard for the cobbler to find.

#13 - Banter. Says wonders if Morsul is trying to distract us by talking more about trolls than wizards.

#223 - arrives.

- summarises previous Days. Might be worth people reading to see if they can get anything more from it than me.

In particular, she finds something Volo said odd, and comments on his playing style so far.

#232 - Decides she will look at the people who voted for me, but isn't sure how likely Boro or McCaber were to be wolves. Didn't like the "suspicion mongering" phrase from McCaber. Finds herself still worried about Volo.

#239 - votes Morsul, mostly for the "innocent McCab" comment, and notes that Lottie has spotted it too. (So I wonder, does this make a Kath-Lottie pack less likely?)

01-28-2013, 12:42 PM	#1
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	My question to you Rik is that by claiming Ner and myself to be doing a wolf on wolf tactic, after I get lynched are you going to go after her? At least, once you discover the truth. __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-28-2013, 12:51 PM	#2
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Re: My possibly moot defense of Nerwen. See Boro and how rather sudden that was. Wackier things have happened. I see little people. I'm off. Do well, fair village, and try not to bicker more while I'm gone. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

01-28-2013, 01:50 PM	#4
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I'm very sorry I haven't been able to take part thus far toDay (I managed to skim through some of the early posts during my early afternoon - about midway to the Day). Too much work; teaching, meetings, things to plan for the rest of the week... And now I have to make an exam for my class for tomorrow before I do anything else. But I'll be back later and try to make as an informed vote I can produce. I should have more time on the next Day if I get that far. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

01-28-2013, 02:48 PM	#5
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	I'm going to vote now as I'm about to move between houses and am liable to forget. ++sally I think the way she was around Gil - half defending him and then voting for him was odd. Also I'd rather the Day didn't end up just being the whole village bandwaggoning onto one vote. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

01-28-2013, 02:53 PM	#6
McCaber Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Skyrim, again. Posts: 820	Well, I am at work today and have limited time. Nothing Gil has posted so far today has started to allay my suspicions, so without further ado ++ Gil __________________ Werewolves vs. Fishmen. The battle of the century.

01-28-2013, 03:09 PM	#7
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	I'm at work myself and it's turned out busier than I'd thought. Gil does seem a rather easy pick, but he really hasn't done anything to make himself look better in my eyes. He's been inconsistent with his statements toNight and falsely claimed I was one of the prime movers against him. If he is indeed evil, it could be a ploy to , as he himself said, "take me down with him". Kath's vote is interesting, and I can sort of appreciate her reasoning there. What to make of it though isn't clear at the moment. x/d with Morsul __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

01-29-2013, 04:10 PM	#8
Coppermirror Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 344	Terrible luck yesterDay. I suggest that each of us does an analysis on at least two people, if possible. Maybe take the next two people down on the alphabetical list, or something like that. (So for me, that would be Inzil and Kath.) I'll be back later to work on that.

01-29-2013, 04:53 PM	#10
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	Lottie First post: Banter, with a comment about Kath maybe calling out Ozban as a Wizard. Looks lighthearted on the surface, though I would not think it wise to draw attention to something like that, myself. #2: Response to Rikae with more banter. #3: Likes Greenie, Rikae, and Nog. Says of Pom "Pom feels like she's trying to be reasonable and agreeable while actually being nothing of the sort, which makes me raise my eyebrows a bit. I'd have to say she's my top suspect right now." #4: Concludes Cab is more like an ordo than a wolf. #5: Votes Pom (second vote) because she didn't agree with the bandwagons on Cop, Gil, and Cab. #6: Casts a little suspicion on Nog because "He seems to be in favor of lynching Pom, but he's at the same time trying to push another candidate. As the situation sat, he'd just tied the two with Bane at least both around and still to vote. If he wanted to save a packmate without taking any ridiculous risks, that would be the way to go." #7: Calls out Morsul for calling Cab "innocent", and for suspecting her for her Pom-vote. #8: Responds to Nerwen's words about Nog possibly being the Traitor. Agrees it's possible. #9: Votes Morsul, for the earlier suspicions she raised and because she thought Nog was more likely to be the Traitor. #10: Reacts to Volo's death. Jokes that it must mean Boro's a Wizard. #11: Makes a list of the Night 1 and Night 2 votes. Concludes Nerwen is suspicious. #12: Argues with Nerwen about Rikae. Says the former looks like a Wizard "taking advantage of an easy kill." #13: Still defending Rikae from Nerwen. #14: Votes Nerwen for earlier suspicions, and apparently to save Rikae. #15: Doesn't like Boro's vote for Greenie (which he'd done for Greenie's unexplained suspicion of him. #16: Says Nerwen is still suspicious, but now so is Gil. #17: Doesn't think Gil and Nerwen are both evil. #18: Questions Morsul for suspecting her for thinking Gil suspicious. #19: Votes Gil, saying he "looks half like a wolf trying to a) incriminate Nerwen or b) make her look good." And that's it thus far. Conclusions to follow. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

01-29-2013, 10:23 PM	#15
Coppermirror Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 344	This is my analysis of Inzil and Kath so far, going up to about page 10. I'm getting a bit tired, so I just want to post what I have so far. After a little bit I'll come back and finish the rest and make my conclusions. Inzil Votes Day 1: Pom Day 2: Ozban Day 3: Gil Day 4: Gil #6 - banter. #14 - banter. Says it's those who aren't up to no good who we have to worry about. #23 - disagrees with Morsul, who had talked about something Pom said as a suggestion, saying "I wouldn't call it a "suggestion". A standard Day 1 statement, more like". I think it's unlikely that both Morsul and Inzil would be wizards and chatting about Pom-wizard like this on the very first page. #71 - Decides to stop banter for now. Thinks that Morsul's vote is a stretch but wasn't too bad for a Day 1 vote. Jokes with Rikae about suspecting/voting for each other. #78 - doesn't like Gil's vote reasoning. #105 - vote count so far, and comments on oddness of Pom's comment. #127 - votes Pom. Was willing to give Gil a pass, and didn't feel keen on voting Nerwen. He was the first voter for Pom. Would a wizard be the first voter for her? Maybe, but it's more likely that they wouldn't. #153 - wonders if the wizards were among the Pom voters or outside them or in both. #160 - Wants to look more closely at Nog, and wants to look at the McCaber voters. He thinks that the first of these was Rikae, whose vote he thought looked fairly innocent. #170 - Comments on Morsul's placement of Lottie as his top suspicion. Fairly noncommittal but thinks she could have avoided voting for a mate entirely. Then comments on Morsul's opinion that if Lottie is a wizard, Nog may be cleared, agreeing that if the two were mates she would surely have come up with others to suspect. Then he comments on Nerwen's Pom analysis. #171 - Responds to Lottie, saying she's not his top suspect for the day. #198 - Says that common sense means that I'm unlikely to be a wizard, as there's no reason for Pom to have voted that way otherwise. Decides to focus on those who might have tried to save Pom: Boro, Volo, Nog. #208 - Recaps votes. Gives impressions of each person's vote. People he things look good: me, Rikae, Lottie, Shasta-innocent. Of Greenie-innocent, thought that she could look bandwagony but her reasoning was good. Thought that Ozban-innocent looked bad. Concludes that the person whose vote looks worst from a Pom-saving perspective is Nog. #235 - wonders who to vote for. Likes Nog's explanation, doesn't want to vote Boro in the latter's absence, and thinks Volo's vote was the least suspicious of the three. Suspicious of Gil's vote. Could vote for Ozban, and thinks the Morsul vote looks rather fabricated. (Hmm. Makes me wonder if my conclusion that there couldn't be a Morsul-Inzil pack before was too hasty.) #237 - Decides Gil is being too careless to be a wizard, and votes Ozban. #273 - Wonders why Volo caught wizard attention. #275 - Wonders if Volo was the blocked Day 1 target or if it was something from the previous Day that made him the wizards' choice. #293 - Thinks that Seer-suspicion makes the most sense for Volo's death and that if they wanted to mess with our heads they must have had other options. #313 - Thinks a wizard Rikae would not have made that confession, and that makes him wonder about Nerwen's quick vote. Then rolls eyes at seeing Morsul's vote. #314 - considers Morsul's statement that the only way Rikae is innocent is if she's the purseholder with a target in mind. (Incidentally, if the wizards do think that at present, then maybe that's why she wasn't killed. Or - actually, no, it's more likely that they just thought the insomniac troll would be defending her and needed another target. Or that they were aiming for the insomniac troll.) #318 - thinks Morsul's reason for voting Rikae is better than Nerwen's. Kath Votes Day 1: n/a Day 2: Morsul Day 3: Morsul Day 4: Sally #5 - Banter. This was the wizard of Oz reference that caused her to be suspected by Morsul as a possible cobbler. It's very unlikely to be a sign left by a wizard for the cobbler to find. #13 - Banter. Says wonders if Morsul is trying to distract us by talking more about trolls than wizards. #223 - arrives. - summarises previous Days. Might be worth people reading to see if they can get anything more from it than me. In particular, she finds something Volo said odd, and comments on his playing style so far. #232 - Decides she will look at the people who voted for me, but isn't sure how likely Boro or McCaber were to be wolves. Didn't like the "suspicion mongering" phrase from McCaber. Finds herself still worried about Volo. #239 - votes Morsul, mostly for the "innocent McCab" comment, and notes that Lottie has spotted it too. (So I wonder, does this make a Kath-Lottie pack less likely?)