WW CV: They Should Make a Movie About This! (Game Thread)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And also, there clearly is a limit when the revelation becomes obsolete aka we can no longer afford it.

BUt the biggest question I think is the one between whether to have a known innocent (that one becoming stornger and stronger asset every Day) or to keep up the threat and possibly kiil a wolf (chances getting betgter ev ery Night).

Yep, essentially, I think there would be some ideal "breaking point" when it would be a bit late for that. But of course again, depends on the situation - amount of remaining Wolves, Gifteds or even known innocents and so on.

But now I really am starting to feel sleepy and it's getting late... so... should vote. Problem is, not very many people actually said much of substance and those who did spoke mostly sensibly, so what to make of it? Blind shot is really NOT a good option here. Whereas I shared Greenie's concern about Sally - I had exactly the same gut feeling about that post, but the problem was that it was exactly only a gut feeling - that is not enough for me. I was even contempating about pulling a Nerwen (meaning, not voting), but then no - especially with such stakes and elements (Maniac...) that's giving too much power to other hands and, well, just irresponsible. Ah well. Hope I at least x-posted with something interesting. Otherwise I'll probably have to cast my vote for someone who out of those who posted little substance (about half the people) posted significantly less substance than what one would expect they could, or somesuch, if there would be such person...

EDIT: x-ed with Sally and Nogrod

[Nogrod]

Twelve people in the "village", three of them moviephiles.

One innocent lynch toDay and one succesful kill for the wolves during the Night would leave us with 10 players at 7-3. Another such D-N cycle would result in 5-3.

It is a small game. That means: if we get it wrong one or two times out gifteds need to really do some excellent work for us to prevail.

And there is so little to go on.

A list for your / my convenience is here (to be on this page and near to be referred to).

Nerwen
Sally
Coppermirror
Loslote
Kitanna
Lommy
Legate
Nogrod
Shasta
Greenie
Kath
Boro

I need to vote soon. Any sparks on any issue or direction would be truly helpful...

[Thinlómien]

I need to vote soon too, and I would be mostly going by gut-feeling this early. I might follow Greenie's vote on Sally (I seem to have noticed that Sally has this "friendly and reasonable" vibe whenever she's guilty and there's a bit of that now), or Nerwen, who also just seems a bit wrong somehow, like detached. But seriously I have no idea. The ones I atm think that are innocent are Kitanna and Greenie, again gut-feeling or tone of posts mostly.

edit: xed with Kit&Cop

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

A short list in an attempt to find who to vote.

Nerwen - actually, even though she did not say much, looks like she at least tried. Would not have reason to lynch her, and no reason to suspect her of inactivity.
Sally - likewise, and actually especially later posts also logically. Not really reason to vote her.
Coppermirror - nothing much. Could vote based on inactivity.
Loslote - nothing much. Same case as above, really.
Kitanna - some mis-thoughts, but that's about it, can't really be blamed for that. Otherwise nothing much.
Lommy - also, stirred quite a discussion, I don't have a reason to believe it wasn't with good interest, so not a lynch subject
Legate - is me.
Nogrod - posting, thinking, fine, could be a Wolf as much as anyone else, but not really a reason to cast a vote for him.
Shasta - so where is he... appears, disappears, so like, what?
Greenie - thinking and posting. Had to vote early, there is something creepy about her, but then again maybe it's just her. (You're welcome.)
Kath - that was the most unsubstantional one-liner (okay, two-liner) I have seen in a while, I wonder if there's a reason to believe she'll come back.
Boro - yeah, thoughts, decent. Also something slightly off about his posting, but again, gut-feeling, nothing more.

So, all in all, I don't want to vote for any of those who posted toDay and said something. I could at most vote Greenie or Boro based on slightly off gut-feeling. Or then Cop, Lottie, or theoretically Kath or Shasta based on inactivity, resp. activity essentially going to zero - but of course I understand there wasn't very much to talk about (in the case of the first two, there definitely wasn't yet, in the case of the latter two, I'd have expected them to post a bit more, but still). In fact, probably Shasta would get the worst out of that. But that's simply based on the criteria of evaluating how much who posted, nothing more. It isn't like I have any better criteria. Unless I really go with gut-feelings and such. Bah.

EDIT: ha, x-ed since my last, I see some of the people from the start are back...

[Nogrod]

Lottie, Kath, Shasta - one post each with no content at all from all of them. Kath makes a sensible sentence concerning the role of the maniac but the other two do basically nothing (Lottie posts as one of the first but Shasta relatively late on the game - which doesn't mean he couldn't have been in a hurry). But none of them promises anythning - like coming back sometime... Kath probably isn't as it is quite late there as well (prove me wrong Kath!).

Boro - Three posts instead of one but nothing more than the above three - except his rather good point on the maniac (even if his interpretation of the role is a bit odd).

Coppermirror - Belongs more or less to the same club, but seeing now that I am, that she's making a list I'd like to see it first as if whether there is a contribution there - unless it takes on long time to get ready and I need to go to sleep.

The Finnish department: Lommy, Greenie and Legate (yeah, him too in this "Finnish -camp") have been active and thoughtful and therefore are assets to us whatever they are as they make the game by providing ideas and discussion.

That leaves Nerwen, Kitanna and Sally who have all been in a way suspicious (not strongly but a little) but also been reasonable enough to backtrack on their error (Kit & Sally) or at least tried when there was nothin g going on (Nerwen).

Hmm... not easy to choose a pick I'd trust would be right.


EDIT: X'd with a couple last ones - partly doing away with the points expressed in this post...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

That leaves Nerwen, Kitanna and Sally who have all been in a way suspicious (not strongly but a little) but also been reasonable enough to backtrack on their error (Kit & Sally) or at least tried when there was nothin g going on (Nerwen).

Oh... that didn't mean these three are going to be my choices...

"That left" those three to say something about. It might be one of the three - or then one of the non-contributers I'd vote toDay (the problem with the latter is that voting early you can't say who is going to end up a non-contributer - but on the other side of the coin: you can't just not-vote someone because s/he is going to (or could) post after you).

A dilemma (trilemma, quadrilemma, quintilemma...), as D1's always are,

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay. Time to vote. I think I really have to go based on feeling I get from the posts rather than anything else, since there is really no other criteria I can use. Some of the non-posters-before have shown up and posted, so let's hope for more. But I can't be here for DL.

Essentially I could vote - for the slight uneasiness-feeling from the posts - Greenie or Boro, who has posted now again and quite sensibly, in fact. Still something unsettled me about it a bit, but only a bit. The other option is some of the totally silent people, out of which the one I'd pick would be Kath, who was around, quoted the Mod, and disappeared. Others either were around and/or I have a reason to expect them back.

So, with all that, and after about ten minutes of consideration, it would be,

++Boro

since I don't want to make a completely throwaway vote, and this way I am at least making a vote for someone who (I presume) would be still around and can make a case for himself if it became relevant (unlike if I voted for Greenie or probably Kath).

Gotta sleep! Good night, folks.

[Nerwen]

Here and reading.

[Thinlómien]

This is hard and it's already past my bedtime.

As I'm pretty sure there will still be plenty more lynch candidates toDay, I will not make the list longer. So I vote

++Sally

and we'll see how the pot stirs.

The rest of you bunnies, choose well.

[Nogrod]

Sally, Coppermirror, Boro, Kath and Kitanna might be my "shortlist" (with a little bad feeling about Legate haunting me - even if I think I agree with him on the issue in the end). I just can't vote Lottie again on D1.

Of those Sally already has a vote and I'm not sure I suspect her enough to give her another. BUt her carefulness not to suspect anyone is looking too careful.

Coppermirror might be posting a list anytime and I'd hate vote her just before she actually contributes.

If Boro is just coming in through a mobile it would explain why he's still a bit out of touch about what is going on (see his latest post) and it would be nasty to vote someone who is (possibly) going to contribute a lot in just a few hours.


Kath is one of the loveliest persons this earth carries on it, but she will probably not post anything else and will count on getting through - whatever her role - and that is annoying. Could vote just for that as she would do that also as a baddie.

Kitanna could be the other choice: reasonable, ready to correct her errors but yet contributing little by way of suspecting anyone (to keep the good faith with everyone) - and for also being online and following the discussion (to answer a random question) but not taking part in it.


EDIT: X'd with two votes & Nerwen reporting in...

[Nogrod]

Okay. My bedtime as well (approaching 3AM).

++ Kitanna

Starting with self-defence / martyr-role, being careful overall and also to not suspect others, hanging around but not contributing... Enough for a D1 vote where there is so little to go after - and too many reasons not to vote someone else on D1 -basis.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Lommy

Speaking of psychics, Shasta will use half of his posts for praising Nerwen (and vice versa, but he always seems to be the one to start).

And why shouldn't I? We were married, once.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Lots of talk about the Maniac. But it looks like the role is a wildcard innocent. A chaotic good perhaps? Or maybe chaotic evil if the Maniac chose to align with the wolves. (Oh my, I wish my friend had never taught me how to play D&D. It's infiltrating my life.)

First major thought. Inzil just got through saying the Maniac is in with the village - why would Kitanna mention the possibilty of them aligning with the wolves?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

2. How Boro's important point was totally lost under a more or less odd discussion of whether the maniac is playing for the goodies or baddies... where the former, I think, was the obvious answer - and seems to be it. But what Boro said merits repeating: as we don't want to lynch the maniac (the danger for us is in lynching her/him) but want her/him killed by the wolves by Night (to take one of them with her/him for sure) - the wolves might like to impersonate the maniac trying to avoid lynching that way.

Second major thought - I approve of Nogrod bringing this back up; consequently I also approve of Boro bringing it up in the first place, obvious though it may have been. Side thought - it might be interesting to see who was the first to, as Nog said, bury it under the discussion about the Maniac's allegiance. Lemme scroll up - hm. It ends up being Lommy, followed by Legate and Nerwen.

Originally Posted by Greenie

How do you impersonate a Maniac? I mean, if the Maniac plays for the village they'd want to get Night-killed, right? Which would mean they might try to impersonate the Seer, which would mean the wolves would try to impersonate the Maniac who tries to impersonate the Seer who tries to impersonate... I mean, maybe you others can follow this, but I can't, at least not this tired. Anyway what I'm saying is that catching someone "impersonating the Maniac" is easier said than done.

A fair point, but there's no real reason not to talk about it, especially this early.

Lommy floats the idea of the Maniac revealing. Gut reaction - I don't like it. If the Maniac reveals, the wolves won't attack them (and thus lose one of their number). We'd have a known innocent, sure - but is that worth it?

(Greenie mentions the same in #32.)

Legate coming down on the side of the plan makes me twitch a bit, especially since he crossed with Lommy nixing her own plan.



Done with page 1. As of now my gut tells me to vote Kitanna or Lommy, possibly Legate, but this readthrough has been very rushed.

[Boromir88]

Apologies for the no quotes or bolding, I'm currently on my phone and caught up through reading page 1. I should be back to my computer within an hour or so...

My original interpretation about the maniac was more based on the title "maniac" I think unpredictable nutter. And then the powers sounded like the maniac just got revenge on whatever side wronged him/her. With the unknown allegiance I thought we should be on the lookout for wolves playing a bit of a random cobbler to look like the maniac and avoid lynching.

However, with the professor's clarification that the maniac is on our side. I wouldn't especially worry about wolves acting/fake revealing as the maniac.

And no to Lommy's idea that the maniac reveals...the role is best as an unknown to everyone because then is the best chance a wolf gets taken down if they target him/her. I don't know what pack would try to take down a revealed maniac, knowing one of them would die for certainty.