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Old 06-08-2015, 03:38 AM   #1
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Only one post before I head out to work.

Boro--obviously, we'd like all the details of this special role we can get: anything that helps us winnow down what's actually happened in the village so far. I don't know if you're saving that or if you've been instructed to hide it or if it's part of a strategy to hide it, but clearly we'd all like more--like, what is the name of the role?

The other thing I'd like confirmation on is these secret messages Nerwen has been receiving. The impression I've got from Boro's posts is that he's had nothing to do with them, but I'd rather that were confirmed if possible.

Sheesh! Every Day there's something in this game...
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Old 06-08-2015, 03:52 AM   #2
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I wouldn't. I am inclined to believer Boro and Nerwen at the moment and appreciate there may be operational reasons that may limit what it is wise to disclose. Obviously I shall keep an open mind at least until I have read back and see how previous behaviour ties in with current claims
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Old 06-08-2015, 06:53 AM   #3
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So, Lalaith. There's little more about her, really, than what I mentioned already. Neither of our known wolves made any significant reference to her, indeed neither did any player, living or dead- mostly, she is listed under "no idea" , though on Day Three Morm listed her in his "innocent" category, along with me, Firefoot and Sally. , On Day One she cast an early vote on Legate for being "confusing". This would be a safe wolf-on-wolf vote, but who knows?

On Day Two she played a part (though not the only part) in getting the Agan-waggon rolling again (after it had more-or-less ground to a halt); the timing is consistent with an attempt to help Mac, but "consistent with" is all, and she had already theorised about Agan's guilt earlier in the Day:
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At 2.30am Phantom proposes a lynching of Nogs - then Boro, Loslote follow this - and then, in the last five minutes before deadline, we have Eomer, Shasta and Sally all piling in. Who is saved by this flurry? Aganzir. (Form has fallen behind)
So, we have a couple of possible scenarios*. Either Phantom was right - Nogs was furry and Aganzir rightfully saved. Or perhaps Nogs was right and Agan was furry. His guesses might even have been so accurate that the wolves suspected him of being the Seer. Hence the flurry to get him lynched?
Anyway, I am inclined to think that Nogs was innocent, and thus Aganzir is looking suspicious to me as a result of all this.
This is quoted by three other players- Legate at #270, who says she has "good points there" but is overall ambiguous, Mac at #281, who incorporates it into his own case against Agan, and myself at #262, where I asked her how she knew both candidates weren't furry. She never replied to this, and indeed that part may have been simply poorly thought out. It may, however have been a minor slip.

Her speculations on the special role might be equivalent to Mac's stats- a way of looking busy and helpful without really doing anything. It is hard to say.

On Day three she argues for Legate as Seer, using, as noted already, the same reasoning as Lottie. After I asked for opinions on other players, particularly Lottie, she said she had become suspicious of her and also of the deceased Mac. #262. This was before I revealed what I knew, however I had implied I knew something. She said she "felt good" about Firefoot and had "no idea" about Boro and Eomer. She was impressed by Eomer's Rikae as Seer theory (#496).
Later she readily accepted my revelations about Lottie and Mac. Was equally receptive to Eomer's theory about me having a special role where I Night-kill people by voting them (!) (#520, #527). This was before Lottie confessed and could perhaps have been a tentative look at a way out for a fellow.

Conclusion: Lalaith might have been a wolf, but if so she and her comrades were very careful indeed to leave no strong links between them. Most likely packmates would be Lottie, Mac, and Nog, with Legate as an outside chance. Nothing to link her to any living player.
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Old 06-08-2015, 08:03 AM   #4
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Ok. So, let me esplain, no that will take too long, lemme sum up:

If the wolves are thinking about trying to put doubt to my claims, and get the village to lynch me as a wolf, that theory wouldn't hold, because there is no other explanation for Mac's death other than I assassinated him NIGHT 3 (and I left clues to my activities/thoughts, which I will get to in a moment).

If they want to try to kill me in the night (Ranger don't ever consider protecting me), I may have a another trick, or I may not, that I'm taking to the grave with me. Their choice. No risk. No reward. If they convince the village I'm just a wolf who's full of it and I'm lynched, kudos to them, and it would be a rather poor decision for the village to lose a night-time weapon against the wolves.

Let's start with Day 1. If you notice I've been dropping pet names on occasion, that signals my plans, just in case I need to ever go back to use it.

Day 1: I called Nog a "furry-biter" if there was a tied vote I most likely would have decided to kill Nog at night. But he was lynched and I decided now wasn't a good time to make a kill choice. But I had other decisions...

I called the phantom "strategy-maker" and that was a clue that he was someone I trusted (and believed he was an ordo) but since he made such a huge KILL ME sign all day and did get killed by the wolves, nothing special happened. The wolves got to him first.

Day 2: I called Mac "number-cruncher". This was a clue signaling I was debating on targeting Mac the next chance I got, because he was playing like the carefree, "I accept I'm going to be lynched or killed soon" Macwolf that I've seen before. So NIGHT 3 I did decide to make a kill, I had not way of knowing whether I hit a wolf or not, and so an early post from

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If I had to put on my guessing hat...Rikae and Legate make the most sense as being wolf-kills. Rikae was widely accepted as an innocent (maybe gifted?), either way, she was a vocal player that was also one of the most trusted in the first couple days. Legate really started going after Greenie, last night, which caught everyone off guard. Agan, took care of Greenie, and if there's a way to discover her role soon, perhaps the wolves were gunning for the Seer.

As far as a pack-kill...Mac is the one that wouldn't make sense. He had been coming under some suspicion, and a growing uneasy feeling. I'm not sure why one of the wolf-packs would target him, unless he tipped off some gifted clue?

I sure hope this special unknown role isn't some maniac assassin. It would be nice to have a weapon against the wolves that can bite them in the night, but it would be most dreadful if it was just kind of blind night-time killer. This could be a really quick game if there's 2 wolf packs, and a blood-thirsty night maniac. It begs the question is this only a once every other night killer? Or maybe that "individual itch" in the DAY 2 narration was the hint, that the target (either Rune or the phantom) was the same, and thus only 2 kills.
This is all me trying to tell people I killed Mac, but I had no way of knowing if I hit a wolf. So, I'm poking fun at myself as some kind of maniac assassin (I only criticize how I play my role, I wouldn't do it if it's not my role to play). I wasn't going to say anything yet, because I didn't know Mac's role and I could have just put us in a terrible spot with 5 deaths in one full DAY/NIGHT turn.

Later on Nerwen though revealed Mac and Lottie were wolves. And I must say I was jumping up and down with glee. And today, since I think the more information the better, I'm saying I targeted Lalaith last night, but like the previous night with Mac...I have no way of confirming her role. All I know is I was 98% confident she wasn't the seer, and yet she seemed to know a little too much. I'll try to go back and find her post talking about Lottie and Mac, but I'm pressed for time and wont be back from work until about an hour before the DL again.

Now yesterday I actually called Eomer "den-dweller" and my idea was to follow my pattern of pet names. I didn't like the way he was talking about lynching the lovers earlier, but I decided rather later to go for Lalaith, because I always still remember Mith's words from being a wolf "don't act like you know so much."

I'm really at a loss on who to lynch today and I won't be around to defend myself from any dubious wolves who might want to try to take a stab at claiming I'm full of it and get me lynched. If that's the case, so be it, but I figured this information now will help in a lynch today and thus decided to come out. Yes, I'm still keeping certain things secret, but I have my own reasons.
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Old 06-08-2015, 08:42 AM   #5
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Boro, I had actually thought you might be the secret role for some time, and I don't doubt your reveal, and that you are not on the side of the wolves. I hope you'll understand, though, if I point out that we can't really be sure you're on the side of the village. Just something everyone needs to bear in mind.
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Old 06-08-2015, 09:12 AM   #6
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On my phone again - having a busy day so I'll only be around in the European late evening/night.

Quick comment:

When I first read Boro's reveal in the morning I was quite doubtful but his newest post makes me feel better about his reveal - I'm not saying he couldn't have planned a fake reveal as a wolf since day 1 but it's maybe not the likeliest explanation. Also I'm not sure how eager a wolf would be to fake reveal and set himself up for the other pack's next night kill.

(I'm having a horrible idea of Nerwen and Boro being wolves together. I haven't done the maths today but I would think that a little too risky for them.)

Not sure what to make of the night kills. Firefoot was in the middle of controversy created by wolf-Lottie. Lalaith I thought was killed because nobody was really suspecting her and she would've been a plausible ranger candidate, but now that Boro's claimed responsibility over that (not sure I'm very grateful about that - Lalaith was one of the people I trusted the most) the speculation is over. I guess our ranger made a save last night then. Well done and good to know you're still alive!

I'll be back and properly around in 5-7h.
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Old 06-08-2015, 09:28 AM   #7
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I guess our ranger made a save last night then. Well done and good to know you're still alive!
Actually, the Ranger could have been killed last Night and still made a save- that's the way it usually works, isn't it? But let's hope not.
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Old 06-08-2015, 09:20 AM   #8
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You know what would be hilarious? If Rikae and Legate were both Seer-impersonating wolves who managed to fool their rivals a little too well.

Anyway, from what I can work out, we should be looking for the remaining wolves amongst the following people:

Formendacil
McCaber
mormegil
Nilpaurion Felagund
Mithalwen
Kath




This is assuming Boro and Sally are telling the truth, of course, but there's good reason to think so.

Edit: x'd with Lommy.
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Old 06-08-2015, 09:33 AM   #9
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Well... things appear to be going well.

There's a bunch of people I've been overlooking recently, and most of them are pretty suspicious. I still have uneasy feelings toward Form and, though I'm not sure this has ever happened, I'm even starting to feel bad about Nilp! Sorry cuz!

Nerwen and Boro and Sally, hmm.

Shasta and Lommy are not setting off any alarm bells. That's very weird for me, normally I enjoy their deaths immensely () so I'm not sure if I'm being hoodwinked or not.
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Old 06-08-2015, 09:39 AM   #10
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You know what would be hilarious? If Rikae and Legate were both Seer-impersonating wolves who managed to fool their rivals a little too well.

Anyway, from what I can work out, we should be looking for the remaining wolves amongst the following people:

Formendacil
McCaber
mormegil
Nilpaurion Felagund
Mithalwen
Kath




This is assuming Boro and Sally are telling the truth, of course, but there's good reason to think so.

Edit: x'd with Lommy.
Any reason you are leaving off Lommy, Eomer, and Shashta? Both Eomer and Shashta are some of my suspects and I don't overlook Lommy.
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