Tol-in-Guarhoth CIX - Ten Year Anniversary Game: Dead Thread

[the phantom]

Ah well, I cave. Though I do feel a "spirit of the law" case could be made, i.e. all rules have a specific reasoning behind them- in Werewolf the changing of posts isn't allowed because we base our accusations/defenses on the words of others etc. etc. that is the reason for the rule, and the reason is what matters, not the rule itself.

But today, when everyone on the thread knows we are making posts just for the sake of deleting them, and everyone knows every role, obviously there can be no arguments/accusations made based on such editing practices. In short, the law lacks its supporting reason in this case, therefore in this case no such law applies.

But if you insist and you feel your allegiances are with Boro, all you have to do is keep spamming even if we did keep deleting and that will just get tiresome (and call down wrath from above). I think perhaps we should just run this thing up near 1688 and leave it sit there (without editing), as Morm has to go to sleep at some point.

[the phantom]

Wow, that last Boro post almost seemed suicidal, heh. I would've thought he would've tried harder to frame the remaining Wolf, saying that Kath must've killed Mith to frame Boro. But then maybe part of his role is he wants to die (i.e. doesn't want to kill everyone). We'll see.

[the phantom]

Of course it's too large a risk to take, but it would be nice if the Living could promise not to lynch Boro if he'd promise to stop his murderous ways, and then sit on their votes and Boro sit on his Night kill. Making peace for the first time in Werewolf. Surely that could count as victory!

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Of course it's too large a risk to take, but it would be nice if the Living could promise not to lynch Boro if he'd promise to stop his murderous ways, and then sit on their votes and Boro sit on his Night kill. Making peace for the first time in Werewolf. Surely that could count as victory!

I was rather disappointed to see him effectively roll over after he did so well and fought so hard.

[mormegil]

++Boromir

[the phantom]

Fact is perhaps he played slightly too well. If he'd killed one less Wolf he'd be in position to lynch the Wolf today then take the game during the Night. That just shows- you don't want to be too good. You just need to be exactly good enough.

[McCaber]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Fact is perhaps he played slightly too well. If he'd killed one less Wolf he'd be in position to lynch the Wolf today then take the game during the Night. That just shows- you don't want to be too good. You just need to be exactly good enough.

He is, however, exactly where I wanted to be toDay. So that means I need to kill him out of spite.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by McCaber

He is, however, exactly where I wanted to be toDay. So that means I need to kill him out of spite.

You played well McCaber. I'm interested to learn what specifics Boro knew. The whole Lalaith kill still bothers me. It was too big a shot in the dark to be coincidence to me.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Morm

But it was being manipulated to give those who don't know all the roles information. Isn't that a reason?

Well, seeing as those on the receiving end have zero access to any of the edited information in question, it could be argued that its a moot point.

Unless you are arguing that the editing of the post-count itself qualifies, but obviously when those rules were written none of us dreamed that the post count itself qualified as a means of communication.

Hmmm... Either way this is a brand new case. There's never been anything like this...

I can totally see what you're saying. Those that have access to the text are gaining nothing therefore editing rules don't apply, EXCEPT for the fact that the editing is meant only to change the reply number which everyone has access to, which may lead to an exchange of information via editing. Yes, in that case the rule applies. That's where you are coming from- I get it.

But at the same time, unique situation due to a unique game- spamming is obviously out of bounds and yet within Fea's Republic game it was encouraged (the Filibuster) as a creative gameplay technique. Similarly in this game, modeled after Mac and Rikae's game, the Mod is interested in seeing if the Dead can find unique ways to communicate with the Living (i.e. voting methods, same-player spamming, Europe players going quiet to signal hurry up, etc.) thus the editing may fall under the umbrella of game-specific technique. But perhaps the umbrella has been stretched too far...

Ah, but that's getting too technical and I'm content with your ruling- it has legs under it as the Reply count could signal information. That was the intent, certainly. We should just try for the next 88 per usual posting rules.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Well, seeing as those on the receiving end have zero access to any of the edited information in question, it could be argued that its a moot point.

Unless you are arguing that the editing of the post-count itself qualifies, but obviously when those rules were written none of us dreamed that the post count itself qualified as a means of communication.

Hmmm... Either way this is a brand new case. There's never been anything like this...

I can totally see what you're saying. Those that have access to the text are gaining nothing therefore editing rules don't apply, EXCEPT for the fact that the editing is meant only to change the reply number which everyone has access to, which may lead to an exchange of information via editing. Yes, in that case the rule applies. That's where you are coming from- I get it.

But at the same time, unique situation due to a unique game- spamming is obviously out of bounds and yet within Fea's Republic game it was encouraged (the Filibuster) as a creative gameplay technique. Similarly in this game, modeled after Mac and Rikae's game, the Mod is interested in seeing if the Dead can find unique ways to communicate with the Living (i.e. voting methods, same-player spamming, Europe players going quiet to signal hurry up, etc.) thus the editing may fall under the umbrella of game-specific technique. But perhaps the umbrella has been stretched too far...

Ah, but that's getting too technical and I'm content with your ruling- it has legs under it as the Reply count could signal information. That was the intent, certainly. We should just try for the next 88 per usual posting rules.

I get what you are saying and I'm wearing two hats here...one as a player (wants Boro to win) the other as forum moderator (wants rules to be followed). Yes you have my reasoning.

The player in me will keep spamming too. The moderator would defer to Kuru for his thoughts on the matter if this is okay in his game given the general rules. With that said I've been out of touch with WW for some time now and some conventions may have changed.

[McCaber]

Well, if the voting's started over there I might as well start the voting in here.

++Shasta

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Ah well, I cave. Though I do feel a "spirit of the law" case could be made, i.e. all rules have a specific reasoning behind them- in Werewolf the changing of posts isn't allowed because we base our accusations/defenses on the words of others etc. etc. that is the reason for the rule, and the reason is what matters, not the rule itself.

But today, when everyone on the thread knows we are making posts just for the sake of deleting them, and everyone knows every role, obviously there can be no arguments/accusations made based on such editing practices. In short, the law lacks its supporting reason in this case, therefore in this case no such law applies.

But if you insist and you feel your allegiances are with Boro, all you have to do is keep spamming even if we did keep deleting and that will just get tiresome (and call down wrath from above). I think perhaps we should just run this thing up near 1688 and leave it sit there (without editing), as Morm has to go to sleep at some point.

But it was being manipulated to give those who don't know all the roles information. Isn't that a reason?