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Nogrod · 07-15-2017, 01:27 PM

Has anyone read toDay's thread in one piece? (Like I did just a moment ago)

Even sharp-minded people like Legate mis-interpreted the scheme for the Dead-thread and adding more options only makes it more misreadable - not to talk of even and odd days, alphabetical order or signing-in order or whatever. And which is the authoritative version - the one that is presented first or the one that is presented last etc.

Happily I see Eönwe backtracking at least that much as to agree that we shouldn't think this kind of scheme should be the default mindset here in the living thread for the whole game through. Good. We're starting to talk sense, I'd say.

I have nothing against trying it for one Day here in the beginning - well, toDay. There is probably quite little the Dead can tell us toDay as we (well, you) lynched no-one on D1. So we might as well try to find out whether Zil was innocent or not.

That said, I'd still caution us to take it (and everything from the Dead thread) with a pinch of salt as Eönwe put it - and that's actually the whole point: we don't get 100% information from there as much as we wished we could. Therefore, let's not try to puzzle them with requests like "none of the above".

(I was thinking of writing a parody-version of a Day in the Dead-thread during the day I was off doing other things and if I have time I might present one for you - but now I'll take a look at some more pressing matters aka. is there anything to say about toDay - or our voting toDay.)

Nogrod · 07-15-2017, 01:45 PM

Voting D2

Inzil -> Nerwen
Lommy -> Eönwe
.07 Eomer -> Lottie
.19 Lalaith -> Eomer
.22 Legate -> Boro
.25 Mith -> Inzil
.41 Nogrod -> Eönwe 2
.51 Brinn -> Nerwen 2
.53 Pervinca -> Inzil 2
.53 Nerwen -> Inzil 3
.55 Lottie -> Inzil 4
.58 Boro -> Inzil 5
.58 Eönwe -> Inzil 6

(Only the votes during the last hour are given a timestamp aka. minutes into the last hour)

Well, we shure didn't tie the vote yesterDay.

The problem is that it's pretty hard to draw conclusions from there as baddies as well as goodies might have jumped on the band-wagon in the end - the former to blend in and the latter to secure there is no draw on votes.

That being said I'm a bit uneasy with how easily people jumped on Zil-wagon with quite little to argue for it (Pervinca might be pardoned - and s/he (?) voted quite early only to tie Zil with others in the tally). Sure, I myself somewhat suspected him, but I tend to do that everytime we play, so I'd not take that as a reason to actually vote for him, at least myself.

Kuruharan · 07-15-2017, 01:56 PM

Pervinca Took has requested to withdraw from the game.

She was an Ordo.

Living
Nerwen
Loslote
Boromir88
Shastanis Althreduin
satansaloser2005
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Lalaith
Legate of Amon Lanc
Mithalwen
Eönwë
Nogrod
Brinniel

The Dead
Morsul the Dark
Inziladun
Thinlómien

Escaped
Pervinca Took (Ordo)

Nogrod · 07-15-2017, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

Pervinca Took has requested to withdraw from the game.

She was an Ordo.

Sad.

Come bravely to the next one! You'll get the hang of this!

Lalaith · 07-15-2017, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Sad.

Come bravely to the next one! You'll get the hang of this!

Hear, hear. Hope to see you again, Pervinca.

Anyway moving to practicals I thought Pervinca's disappearance might warrant a rejig of the list but actually given that Boro said he probably wasn't voting it's not as imbalanced as I'd feared. If the Dead are already voting on who to empower we don't want to confuse things. So here it is again...

ZIL = PREY
Boromir88
Brinniel
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Eönwë
Lalaith

ZIL = PREDATOR
Legate of Amon Lanc
Loslote
Mithalwen
Nerwen

NONE OF THE ABOVE
Nogrod
Pervinca Took
satansaloser2005
Shastanis Althreduin

Mithalwen · 07-15-2017, 02:27 PM

Well I hope it Is good news. With so many quiet folk, Pervinca gone and an ordo we can't rely on the dead. The numbers are a bit scary. I fear that we are already metaphorically attached to another object by an inclined plane wrapped helically around an axis. So yes let's catch some wolves. This messaging debate is making Brexit negotiations look and snappy. Filibustering?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 07-15-2017, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Btw. Legate: could you tell us what you were thinking with this one (on Lommy):
In the end of the Day1 you were a strong advocate of the no-lynch policy and actually tried to achieve it - or at least tried to make an impression you tried to achieve it, as you voted already three minutes before the DL and knew there were people still voting, but commented on your vote that it "should be a tie". And here you then say Lommy's driving for a lynch made her look more innocent?

So what has changed, your loyalties or something else?

I meant on Day 2, when she warned us from repeating that.

Nogrod · 07-15-2017, 03:05 PM

Night4

Aphrodite (A): Knock-Knock
Bandobras, Captain, Daisy, Evil, (B, C, D, E) : Who’s there?
A: A Living Dead!
B & C: Oh it’s you.
D & E: Welcome.
A: So?
B: So what?
A: What shall we do?
C: Just vote to see D’s role.
D: And then vote to empower a person in the Living Thread from one of the lists here that indicate that B was an innocent on D2.
E: But which of these lists do you choose? That’s the question… *grins*
B: Ignore him.
C: I’ve actually stopped following the thread. It’s boring.
D: There’s nothing else to do though.
E: Get bored my friends… don’t vote… I’d like to do it for you around the Deadline.
B: If we have nothing else to do, then actually be my guest.
C: I don’t fancy either reading all the pages just to tell them something that is of no importance.
D: We do have a duty to help them, you know?
E: Why bother my friends? They don’t deserve your aid.
B: I might agree with you on this issue – evil!
C: I think I have RL-stuff to do.
D: Doggone it…
A: But couldn’t we play the game? Try to find out the villains? Put our heads together with superior information and lead the village to victory?
B: They don’t listen.
C: They think they know better, cretins.
D: It’s hard you see…
E: There is no way you can deliver a message of any importance to them my dear A. You’re totally doomed to play a game that only takes their ability to see as a measure of everything – you may know more here, but there is no way you can make them listen to you as they think they know what to do...
A: Oh, crap. Let’s go to sleep then. I did have a good book to read instead of following this game...

Nogrod · 07-15-2017, 01:57 PM

Btw. Legate: could you tell us what you were thinking with this one (on Lommy):

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legate

At the same time, she was posting many generally helpful suggestions (try to prevent a tie etc.) which made her (in my opinion) look more innocent.

In the end of the Day1 you were a strong advocate of the no-lynch policy and actually tried to achieve it - or at least tried to make an impression you tried to achieve it, as you voted already three minutes before the DL and knew there were people still voting, but commented on your vote that it "should be a tie". And here you then say Lommy's driving for a lynch made her look more innocent?

So what has changed, your loyalties or something else?

07-15-2017, 01:27 PM	#1
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Has anyone read toDay's thread in one piece? (Like I did just a moment ago) Even sharp-minded people like Legate mis-interpreted the scheme for the Dead-thread and adding more options only makes it more misreadable - not to talk of even and odd days, alphabetical order or signing-in order or whatever. And which is the authoritative version - the one that is presented first or the one that is presented last etc. Happily I see Eönwe backtracking at least that much as to agree that we shouldn't think this kind of scheme should be the default mindset here in the living thread for the whole game through. Good. We're starting to talk sense, I'd say. I have nothing against trying it for one Day here in the beginning - well, toDay. There is probably quite little the Dead can tell us toDay as we (well, you) lynched no-one on D1. So we might as well try to find out whether Zil was innocent or not. That said, I'd still caution us to take it (and everything from the Dead thread) with a pinch of salt as Eönwe put it - and that's actually the whole point: we don't get 100% information from there as much as we wished we could. Therefore, let's not try to puzzle them with requests like "none of the above". (I was thinking of writing a parody-version of a Day in the Dead-thread during the day I was off doing other things and if I have time I might present one for you - but now I'll take a look at some more pressing matters aka. is there anything to say about toDay - or our voting toDay.) __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

07-15-2017, 01:45 PM	#2
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Voting D2 Inzil -> Nerwen Lommy -> Eönwe .07 Eomer -> Lottie .19 Lalaith -> Eomer .22 Legate -> Boro .25 Mith -> Inzil .41 Nogrod -> Eönwe 2 .51 Brinn -> Nerwen 2 .53 Pervinca -> Inzil 2 .53 Nerwen -> Inzil 3 .55 Lottie -> Inzil 4 .58 Boro -> Inzil 5 .58 Eönwe -> Inzil 6 (Only the votes during the last hour are given a timestamp aka. minutes into the last hour) Well, we shure didn't tie the vote yesterDay. The problem is that it's pretty hard to draw conclusions from there as baddies as well as goodies might have jumped on the band-wagon in the end - the former to blend in and the latter to secure there is no draw on votes. That being said I'm a bit uneasy with how easily people jumped on Zil-wagon with quite little to argue for it (Pervinca might be pardoned - and s/he (?) voted quite early only to tie Zil with others in the tally). Sure, I myself somewhat suspected him, but I tend to do that everytime we play, so I'd not take that as a reason to actually vote for him, at least myself. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

07-15-2017, 01:56 PM	#3
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,593	An announcement Pervinca Took has requested to withdraw from the game. She was an Ordo. Living Nerwen Loslote Boromir88 Shastanis Althreduin satansaloser2005 Eomer of the Rohirrim Lalaith Legate of Amon Lanc Mithalwen Eönwë Nogrod Brinniel The Dead Morsul the Dark Inziladun Thinlómien Escaped Pervinca Took (Ordo) __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

07-15-2017, 02:27 PM	#6
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Well I hope it Is good news. With so many quiet folk, Pervinca gone and an ordo we can't rely on the dead. The numbers are a bit scary. I fear that we are already metaphorically attached to another object by an inclined plane wrapped helically around an axis. So yes let's catch some wolves. This messaging debate is making Brexit negotiations look and snappy. Filibustering? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-15-2017, 03:05 PM	#8
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	A Day in the Dead Thread, scenario 1. Night4 Aphrodite (A): Knock-Knock Bandobras, Captain, Daisy, Evil, (B, C, D, E) : Who’s there? A: A Living Dead! B & C: Oh it’s you. D & E: Welcome. A: So? B: So what? A: What shall we do? C: Just vote to see D’s role. D: And then vote to empower a person in the Living Thread from one of the lists here that indicate that B was an innocent on D2. E: But which of these lists do you choose? That’s the question… grins B: Ignore him. C: I’ve actually stopped following the thread. It’s boring. D: There’s nothing else to do though. E: Get bored my friends… don’t vote… I’d like to do it for you around the Deadline. B: If we have nothing else to do, then actually be my guest. C: I don’t fancy either reading all the pages just to tell them something that is of no importance. D: We do have a duty to help them, you know? E: Why bother my friends? They don’t deserve your aid. B: I might agree with you on this issue – evil! C: I think I have RL-stuff to do. D: Doggone it… A: But couldn’t we play the game? Try to find out the villains? Put our heads together with superior information and lead the village to victory? B: They don’t listen. C: They think they know better, cretins. D: It’s hard you see… E: There is no way you can deliver a message of any importance to them my dear A. You’re totally doomed to play a game that only takes their ability to see as a measure of everything – you may know more here, but there is no way you can make them listen to you as they think they know what to do... A: Oh, crap. Let’s go to sleep then. I did have a good book to read instead of following this game... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet... Last edited by Nogrod; 07-15-2017 at 03:20 PM.