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Old 11-07-2017, 12:31 PM   #1
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I am personally hesitant about this, because there is no pressing need to add it thus, for it removes the essential factor that formed your reason for the inclusion: an express attack of Melkor upon Almaren. In addition, the Isle of Almaren is not in the Sea, so the sea cannot rise up and flood it. It was in the Great Lake.
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Old 11-07-2017, 01:09 PM   #2
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I'm agreed with BoT 13 additions, more or less is what i had done.
In the case of BoT 21 I think is not necessary the add, I think is inherent with the great cataclysm described the destruction of Almaren.
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Old 11-07-2017, 10:08 PM   #3
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BoT-21.5: If we go with this at all, I would prefer Findegil's last proposal, which I think is minimally disruptive to the text.
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Old 11-08-2017, 01:45 PM   #4
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Okay, if all of you feel that it is not necessary we will skip BoT-21.5.

I think with that all open points are cleared, right?

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Old 11-08-2017, 03:52 PM   #5
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I agree, it looks like this chapter is done!
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Old 12-01-2017, 09:30 AM   #6
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Apologies for reopening this chapter, but in rereading the MT text about Varda and the stars, I think there it is better to break it up and insert it than to use it in its entirety later on. The first part has a section we can use here:

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BoT-02.5 {Therefore Ilúvatar, at the entering in of the Valar into ...... , and the giving would be void.}
BoT-02.7 <MT {before}Before the establishment of Arda ‘the Realm’, while the Valar in general (including an unnamed host of others who never came to Arda) were labouring in the general construction of Eä (the World or Universe), Varda {was in Eldarin and Númenórean legend said to have} designed and set in their places most of the principal stars; but being (by destiny and desire) the future Queen of Arda, in which her ultimate function lay, especially as the lover and protectress of the Quendi, she was concerned not only with the great Stars in themselves, but also in their relations to Arda, and their appearance therefrom (and their effect upon the Children to come).>
When therefore at last ......
I removed the bit about "in Eldarin and Numenorean legend" because these are the legends it's discussing.
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Old 12-09-2017, 07:12 PM   #7
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BoT-02.7: I am not sure that this the right place for this insert. But for the moment I did not find any better.

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