Werewolf CXIII: Death at Deadmen's Dike - GAME THREAD

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

"Just this once, everybody lives"? Please, not that again. A Day 2 with no lynch, no votes to analyse and draw conclusions from, how would that be different from your vanilla Day 1, and then? Rinse and repeat? I shouldn't even have to explain this, as I know you know that's how it works, so why are you even suggesting this? So you don't have to commit to anything?

Nah, I think I'm just turning pacifist over the WW years...I cordially dislike Day 1 lynches, depriving a person from playing before they really had a chance to get going. Even though, you're right and it must be done, you can't make me not hate Day 1 lynches. (And you could make the argument well they've had 24 hours to do something if they choose to).

Maybe there's the time to delve into the ancient texts and see if a Day 1 lynching contributes to the overall success of the innocents, or if a Day 1 no-lynch actually is more beneficial to the wolves.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

To him, actually; male, German. Zil had a point though, and your response to my #25 struck me as a bit over-defensive too. Seems you like to poke people, but not so much to be poked in turn.

Apologies. And... probably! No-one likes to be poked, do they? Though I'm also just very talky, and liable to respond to anything that looks like it might be directed at me.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Maybe there's the time to delve into the ancient texts and see if a Day 1 lynching contributes to the overall success of the innocents, or if a Day 1 no-lynch actually is more beneficial to the wolves.

There's not. Not if you mean for this lynch. It's... well, late (for a gorcrow), and my understanding is that even one vote in play will cause a lynch. Since I feel that not voting during a lynch that actually happens is a bad idea, I intend to vote for Rune in about... 15 minutes unless I see 1) a good argument for no-lynch, 2) something from Rune that makes me reconsider, 3) a good argument for Rune's innocence, or 4) a good alternate candidate.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I will have to vote soon, and even under the best of circumstances, I dislike a day 1 vote. I am never quite sure in my suspicions and second guess my self constantly. In a village as small as ours, I believe it would be counterproductive to vote for no-shows or people with very limited activity. We need a trail, we need something to analyze on for the days to come, and we need for everything to be out in the open so that here is no hiding. Even though it is grossly unfair that people can be rewarded for not participating, in my view it is the lesser of two evils.

As I write that would leave me with a list of possible lynch candidates that looks like this:

Inzil – Besides a typical day 1 starter Inzil has posted a single post which comments on some of the different statements made so far.
Boro – The main talking point of Day 1. Has acted differently than what I remember, but the more I read through the thread, the more I like Moon Moon idea originally presented by Pitch.
Pitch – Made a late entry, but has been productive and do not shy away from confrontation.
Huinesoron – By far the most interesting person in the village. Very active, if a little bit jumpy. Is this an Alpha that enjoys the spotlight (perhaps there is even an evil plan) or is it a very eager Ordo?

I would not want to vote for Huey, as I don’t know him, and I want to see where he takes this over the next few days.

This leaves Inzil, Boro and Pitch. I like style of Pitch, and I must admit that I am backtracking a bit on Boro. He is definitely having fun today, and I don’t remember him like this (Unlike Pitch). The most plausible explanation would be Moon Moon… Inzil hasn’t contributed much mostly poking fun or posting simple comments.

Edit: Cross Posted with Huinesoron

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

I would not want to vote for Huey, as I don’t know him, and I want to see where he takes this over the next few days.

I wouldn't vote him toDay just because of the First Game Pass. Doesn't seem sporting.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I wouldn't vote him toDay just because of the First Game Pass. Doesn't seem sporting.

Well yes, I am talking about today's vote.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Okay, this is not an easy decision, but I have to make one very soon.

If nothing else happens thee next ten minutes my vote will go to Inzil.

The contributions have mostly been good natured banter, and comments on Huey being a bit jumpy. Perhaps more will follow, but as things stand this behavior seems to needlessly shy away from confrontation (in my opinion). What does it mean that Huey is a bit jumpy (Inzil has pointed it out twice), is this wolfish behavior or not? Furthermore the posts interact with a fair few of the villagers, but without leaving any real traces. Of all the active players, this is the behavior that seems the most wolfish to me. A relatively low key day 1, staying out of focus, but with a degree of interaction.

Edit: Cross Posted with Huey

[satansaloser2005]

To yesterday's votes then. Baddies underlined, innocents in italics.

Huey-->Rune
Rune-->Dun
Boro-->Nerwen
Pitch-->Boro
Lal-->Sally
Dun-->Rune (2)
Sally-->Rune (3)

Did not vote: Nerwen, Morsul, Shasta


Two of the non-voters weren't a huge surprise; Shasta likely didn't know the game had started, and Nerwen is a notorious (but beloved) no-show on Day One.

Not to overly pry, Morsul, but why didn't you pop up to vote?

Meanwhile, to the votes themselves.

Huey (don't hurt me) voting for Rune could easily be wolf-on-wolf, as the first vote of the Day is often a safe one for whomever you want. I'm not saying it is wolf-on-wolf, just that I'm not writing Huey off as innocent for his/her vote.

The fact that Rune voted for Dun and then Dun died during the Night makes me think Rune suspected the latter of being a gifted and the pack agreed. Not a breakthrough idea, I'm sure, but sensible enough and, since we had such a spread of votes toward the end of the Day, it supports the idea of an absent wolf, as it would have been easy enough to justify voting Dun at the time.

As I've said, Boro's vote for Nerwen is fair in theory but regrettable in practice, as it's not usually a good idea to vote for an absentee on Day One in case one is gifted. However, were Boro a wolf, it would have been all too easy to vote for Dun instead, so as of now, I'm thinking my prince is innocent (and quite a looker ).

Pitch voting for Boro seems valid based on my thoughts above, though it admittedly doesn't sit quite right with me.

Lal suspects an in-and-out Sally wolf, which is fair play, though inaccurate in this case. Nothing too opportunistic about this, though I don't like that she further widened the playing field, especially with less than an hour left until deadline at the time. Why not vote for an established candidate?

Dun going for Rune could have been construed by the pack as a seer voting for a dreamt wolf, but this was clearly not the case. Still, well done, my friend! We will avenge your most foul and definitely expected murder.

And then of course I voted for Rune because I loathe ties and I wasn't into leaving room for last-minute votes that could propel another candidate toward the block. Mind, I know it still could have happened if all three absentees had shown up and voted, but that was highly unlikely at that point, and Rune seemed like a good candidate anyway, so there you go.



x'd with Nerwen. Hey yourself.

[Huinesoron]

A wonderful long post from Sally, and not much that's particularly suspicious. The one thing that makes me wonder is this repeated clearing of Boro's name, both by justifying his vote for Nerwen and by proposing an alternative that would be better for BoroWolf. This extends to casting suspicion on Pitch for voting Boro.

The thing is, none of Sally's points seem to apply to BoroMoon. BoroMoon wouldn't know exactly who the wolves were, and both Rune and Zil had gained suspicion at points. Would BoroMoon want to rescue RuneWolf by condemning ZilWolf? I rather doubt it, so picking a third party would be the safest option.

A Wolf Sally and BoroMoon would work with how Sally has been acting; Sally's last-minute vote for Rune would be an attempt to build credibility. Her nice big post then makes sure to throw suspicion on everyone who was active yesterday, which would be an attempt to clear out the active villagers and leave just the non-posters.

Or... Sally is innocent and thinks Boro is too, simple as that. But the theory above hangs together rather well - moreso the longer I look at it, hence the shift in tone during this post.

hS

[satansaloser2005]

I know not a lot has gone on today, but still, to know such beasts are among us is unsettling. Who is responsible for this?

I'm just saying, I didn't do it.



X'd with Rune. Off for dinner, but will post again when I'm back home.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Inziladun

[Huinesoron]

Okay, bedtime and votetime. I'm glad of the lengthy posts fro both Rune and Zil - it's great to have more to go on.

I'm a little more nervous about Zil now - post 37 feels like a retread of post 29 rather than anything particularly new - but equally, there's nothing new there to spark new suspicions. And Rune... well, Rune's post is bulked out by a big paragraph about voting, after which the content comes down to:

-Zil only posted once.
-Boro is having fun.
-Pitch is productive.

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Huinesoron – By far the most interesting person in the village. Very active, if a little bit jumpy. Is this an Alpha that enjoys the spotlight (perhaps there is even an evil plan) or is it a very eager Ordo?

The first three points have all been previously made in the thread; the last is an expansion of other people's suspicions (as was his original comment on Boro), and is pointed at the person who's several times named him as number 1 voting candidate.

There's nothing here to make me reduce my suspicions, so in the absence of other candidates, and on the principle that a voting record is helpful to the village:

++Rune

hS, roosting upside-down in a tree and hoping for the best

[Inziladun]

At this point, there's been nothing from Morsul or Shasta. And hardly anything from Lal or Sally. Hm.

[Morsul the Dark]

From Rune

[Huinesoron – By far the most interesting person in the village. Very active, if a little bit jumpy. Is this an Alpha that enjoys the spotlight (perhaps there is even an evil plan) or is it a very eager Ordo?

I would not want to vote for Huey, as I don’t know him, and I want to see where he takes this over the next few days.

Now I might just be dialing in too closely but could this be wolf to wolf communication?
(Evil plan) as in "Huey stick to the plan"? And then sort of "hey guys ignore him for a while.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Now I might just be dialing in too closely but could this be wolf to wolf communication?
(Evil plan) as in "Huey stick to the plan"? And then sort of "hey guys ignore him for a while.

And the plan is... 'continue to go for my throat, overreact and be jumpy, and make sure to be just as active tomorrow to keep drawing attention'?

I'm not sure that would be the best course to winning the game... I realise suspecting the people who accuse you is cliche, but arguing that my behaviour (which has drawn comments from at least five people, including both the wolf and the confirmed innocent) is a plan is... not logic I can really follow.

hS

[Morsul the Dark]

Wouldn't know what the plan is. I do know wolf on wolf suspicions aren't a new strategy and can easily hide a newer player. I used the tactic my first game out.

I'm just going on information I'm Seeing is all, and that's that I trust Sally. So I'm inclined to see where she's coming from.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

I trust Sally. So I'm inclined to see where she's coming from.

Fair enough. Since it's impossible for you, Sally, and Boro to all be evil, I'll take a look elsewhere.

[Pitchwife]

Hello again! Housecleaning's done, cheese fondue is eaten, and with some caffeine to bring my brain back online I should be able to hang around for some time.

Yay Nerwen! Solid analysis of Zil's interactions. And of course I didn't mean to suggest that everybody who voted yesterDay should be given a pass, just that we shouldn't focus on the loudmouths only and let the rest slip by. And it's understood that I say that as one of those loudmouths, and you said what you said as one of those formerly silent ones.

Yay Morsul! I don't quite follow his reasoning, but that's nothing new--or then I do to some extent; if the quote he gave from Rune, where Rune talks about Huey, was 'wolf-to-wolf communication', it could perhaps be Runewolf warning his young padawan not to make himself too conspicuous (wasn't this after Zil had started to point out Huey's overreaction?). I don't follow the 'evil plan' bit, but his posts sounds genuine Morsulish to me so far.

On the Sally-Boro-tangle: I can see why an innocent Sally should feel iffy about my vote for Boro, if she really believes it was risky for the same reason Boro's vote for Nerwen was risky, as she stated in #56. If I'd seen this post of hers before voting it might have given me pause, but looking back on Boro's behaviour yesterDay, especially his talk about not lynching on D1, I disagree.

I also disagree with Sally's statement that 'picking a third party in this instance made him [=Boro] look better to several people'. Who would these people be? I mean, yes of course it would have looked highly wolvish if he had piled on either Rune or Zil after voicing no suspicion of his own all Day, but I don't see how randomly voting a non-poster was any better. He had IMO manœuvered himself into a situation where he could hardly make an unsuspicious vote for anybody.

[Huinesoron]

I've had another look at Lalaith and Nerwen, as two who've slipped under my personal radar today. (I've spent a lot of time talking about Boro, Sally, and Morsul, and just can't see Pitch as a wolf... add in Shasta the absentee, and I think that's everyone.)

-Lalaith voted yesterDay to put half the village on the block, claiming just not to have noticed. Her first post toDay included a big paragraph about cobblers, who aren't actually our priority target. She's also spent a fair amount of time clearing people - me, Sally, Pitch - based on yesterday's events, which could be suspect, but feels more like genuine thoughts.

-Nerwen gave us a big summary of Zil's Day One, the conclusion to which was:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Conclusion: Was probably killed largely because his particular rôle in lynching Runewolf would be hard to paint as either cobblerish or wolf-on-wolf. However, the joke about his intention to "look at [Boro's] posts and read them backwards while listening to the White Album" might have looked Seerish (assuming a jumpy wolf).

Which provides one unhelpful conclusion (that we can't get any information from Zil's death), and one point at Boro as a potential wolf.

Her second post includes a typo of 'Zil' for 'Rune', which could be a wolfish slip ('who did we kill, again?') but probably isn't. It also claims, again, that yesterday gives us basically no information.

Conclusions from me? Lalaith doesn't look particularly lupine, vote aside. Nerwen has posted two hefty posts, but hasn't given many opinions or conclusions that don't come to 'this tells us nothing'. I would call her more suspicious than Lalaith, if pressed.

And of course, Shasta has said absolutely nothing, still.

I see Pitch has just given another long post; in the interest of not letting my assumptions stand unchallenged, I'll take a look at Pitch's record in a while to see if anything jumps out.

hS

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

And the plan is... 'continue to go for my throat, overreact and be jumpy, and make sure to be just as active tomorrow to keep drawing attention'?

I'm not sure that would be the best course to winning the game... I realise suspecting the people who accuse you is cliche, but arguing that my behaviour (which has drawn comments from at least five people, including both the wolf and the confirmed innocent) is a plan is... not logic I can really follow.

hS

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Who calls themselves Moon Moon anyway? Someone who is obsessed with terrible rhyming, probably. Therefor it's probably Nerwen.

Definitely Nerwen. Isn't Moon Moon the town where she lives?

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

I said he was Moon Moon, I didn't say he was Aleister Crowley.

Zing!

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

"Just this once, everybody lives"? Please, not that again. A Day 2 with no lynch, no votes to analyse and draw conclusions from, how would that be different from your vanilla Day 1, and then? Rinse and repeat? I shouldn't even have to explain this, as I know you know that's how it works, so why are you even suggesting this? So you don't have to commit to anything?

Yet again, sense. Back on the merry-go-round. Day 1 is pretty much always a crapshoot, barring some amazing, spectacular See-action, but not voting has always seemed to me more of a help to the baddies. It's scary that I agree with Pitch so much so early.

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

A vote for someone who seemed to be using goofiness as a way to avoid discussion wouldn't be random. But see below.

Again, a little touchy, this.

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Post 30 is a huge addition to the Boromiric Canon, but I have no idea what it indicates. I think he's dedicating himself to the role of The Goofiest Player, at least for Day One; this actually makes me think he's less likely to be a wolf, because that's a bold stance for an early-game member of a 2-person team. (He may still be MoonMoonIsh, though.)

I thought Goofiest Player was my job! Or maybe that was creepiest...

x/d with Huey and Rune

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

It's scary that I agree with Pitch so much so early.

It definitely is--to be agreed with so much, I mean.

Huey's suspicion of Rune seems fair enough if a little thin, based on just one post. I'd need a little more reasons to get behind that.

I've got an eye on Huey himself--could be an eager innocent a little nervous in a new environment, could be an eager but somewhat touchy wolf cub. Anyway I'm giving him a newbie's pass toDay.

Zil agreeing with me so much is indeed eyebrow-raising, and the fact that he points it out himself could be a self-conscious attempt to deflect suspicion after Huey commented on it earlier.

I'm flip-flopping about Boro (which is kind of hilarious). Something isn't right with him, and I'd like to find out what it is. I said above that he shouldn't be our concern toDay, but I remember a Borowolf who acted cobblerish and got away with it (one of Nog's games, I was the real cobbler). Could imagine voting for him.

[Pitchwife]

Hmm, Rune's swerve from Huey to Zil was a bit sudden. I can't fault his reasoning, but then I tend to suspect Zil a lot early in the game -- creepiest player is his job, whatever he is, and he gets lynched early a lot because of it.

It scares me a bit how we few are getting ready to vote each other while half the village are still more or less no-shows (Morsul? Shasta?).

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

It scares me a bit how we few are getting ready to vote each other while half the village are still more or less no-shows (Morsul? Shasta?).

As much as I'm going to be grinding my teeth here, I'm going to have to force myself to vote today, because if I were one of the murderers I would pick off Morsul or Shasta next, and leave us with nothing again tomorrow.

So be it...

++Nerwen

No particular reason other than I don't want one of the active people today. Nerwen did post once and, if a wolf, best to take a shot at getting rid of her now, or we're all dead.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Nerwen did post once and, if a wolf, best to take a shot at getting rid of her now, or we're all dead.

'Let's lynch her now because if she's a wolf she'll be oh so dangerous." That's plain truth, but if she's not she'll be oh so dangerous to the wolves, so why should we lynch her without any evidence? Since when do we lynch people just in case?

[Pitchwife]

OK, I just realized I've been up for close to 20 hours, and nocturnal creature though I am, this undead vampire bat has a lot of sunlight damage to recover from.

Nerevar guide me!
++Boro

Good night!

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

I'm a little more nervous about Zil now - post 37 feels like a retread of post 29 rather than anything particularly new - but equally, there's nothing new there to spark new suspicions. And Rune... well, Rune's post is bulked out by a big paragraph about voting, after which the content comes down to:

-Zil only posted once.
-Boro is having fun.
-Pitch is productive.



The first three points have all been previously made in the thread; the last is an expansion of other people's suspicions (as was his original comment on Boro), and is pointed at the person who's several times named him as number 1 voting candidate.

There's nothing here to make me reduce my suspicions, so in the absence of other candidates, and on the principle that a voting record is helpful to the village:

++Rune

hS, roosting upside-down in a tree and hoping for the best

Huey sort of suspects me, but decides Rune is a bit worse, so votes for him.

His suspicion of Rune seems a bit forced, but is it Day 1/New Player uncertainties, coupled with "I gotta vote for someone?"

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Okay, this is not an easy decision, but I have to make one very soon.

If nothing else happens thee next ten minutes my vote will go to Inzil.

The contributions have mostly been good natured banter, and comments on Huey being a bit jumpy. Perhaps more will follow, but as things stand this behavior seems to needlessly shy away from confrontation (in my opinion). What does it mean that Huey is a bit jumpy (Inzil has pointed it out twice), is this wolfish behavior or not? Furthermore the posts interact with a fair few of the villagers, but without leaving any real traces. Of all the active players, this is the behavior that seems the most wolfish to me. A relatively low key day 1, staying out of focus, but with a degree of interaction.

Now this seems forced as well, though it is me saying so. What kind of 'confrontation' d'ya expect on Day 1?

Originally Posted by Boromir88

As much as I'm going to be grinding my teeth here, I'm going to have to force myself to vote today, because if I were one of the murderers I would pick off Morsul or Shasta next, and leave us with nothing again tomorrow.

So be it...

++Nerwen

No particular reason other than I don't want one of the active people today. Nerwen did post once and, if a wolf, best to take a shot at getting rid of her now, or we're all dead.

I can sympathize to a point, because Nerwen always worries me. I strongly disagree with the 'just because' vote though.

x/d with Pitch

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Hmm, Rune's swerve from Huey to Zil was a bit sudden. I can't fault his reasoning, but then I tend to suspect Zil a lot early in the game -- creepiest player is his job, whatever he is, and he gets lynched early a lot because of it.

It scares me a bit how we few are getting ready to vote each other while half the village are still more or less no-shows (Morsul? Shasta?).

This post makes me wonder a bit, after this:

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Huey's suspicion of Rune seems fair enough if a little thin, based on just one post. I'd need a little more reasons to get behind that.

Especially after Rune died a wolf.

[Inziladun]

Congrats to the Forces of Evil!

Pitch was masterful as a solo wolf, and I envy Boro for having had what I consider the most fun role in WW.

It was a little gratifying that my intuition did lead me to say this early on:

Originally Posted by me

It's scary that I agree with Pitch so much so early.

but I also enjoyed actually not having my innocent self lynched, which is a rarity.

Thanks G55 for the game!

[Morsul the Dark]

I dreamt innocent Zil night one and thank IRL work schedule plus meetings the day 1 slipped my mind. The days run together sometimes.

Dreamt innocent Sally

Then died after dreaming MoonMoon Boro.

I legitimately have no idea why Boro got a free pass for clearly voting just to vote.

Pitch didn’t enter my mind at all as a wolf.

[Huinesoron]

A post-mortem of Huinesoron.

Originally Posted by Coroner's report

The remains of subject GORCROW were found scattered across a wide area. The primary evidence of its death were a large number of feathers; the meat they were once attached to was--

No, that's not quite what I mean.

Day One

Day One I got lucky. I do think Rune overreached with his tag-along accusation of Boro, but I was also lucky that so few people showed up! Only half of the players were active before I had to leave, which meant it was much easier to focus on each of them. Pretty much perfect for a first game Day One. That said, the case against Rune was always weak, and could easily have been the work of an innocent.

Day Two

Day Two exposed the downsides of my first day. I was now firmly in the mindset (that I didn't get out of until Day Four) that wolves would be caught by their spurious logic. That got me caught up on the fact that most people looked okay, and then on the Sally&Morsul case against me. I still don't get how 'wolf-on-wolf is possible' turned into 'wolf-on-wolf must have happened'; Morsul, what was it about me that made you convinced enough to run the risk of people falsely assuming a Seer read?

I also stayed hung up on the BoroMoon theory - ironically correct, and even more ironically proposed by PitchWolf! - which led me down a twisty side-path regarding Sally. I tunnelled on this for a while, managing to miss the fact that it didn't make much sense.

Morsul's reveal threw me for a loop. It took both Sally and himself off the table, and they were the people I'd focussed on all day. You can see me scrambling around to find anything against anyone else, and eventually picking Nerwen. Um, yeah, that didn't end well.

Day Three

Day Three exposed a big problem, and that's the way my playstyle interacted with the time of the deadline. It turns out that I'm very bad at considering people who aren't there; BoroMoon slipped entirely under my radar by the simple act of barely posting on Days 2 and 3. I also never really went back and looked at Shasta's accusations against Pitch - because Shasta wasn't there to pursue them. Sally and company discussed this after I was gone.

The timing also meant that Pitch had a lot of opportunity to reinforce my lack of suspicion in him without too many other people around. But... honestly, I think I would have voted Lalaith even if Pitch had been entirely absent. She said too much that came across as logical errors, misinterpretations, and just plain wrong statements, and had a hard time naming suspects. I know Lalaith is the reading I was most confident in.

Day Four

Look! I finally figured it out!

Except I only got PitchWolf pinned down because of BoroMoon's vote, not because of any reading on Pitch. So I still didn't really get there (and in consequence, I got et). In fact... I've looked back at Shasta's posts against Pitch, and I still don't see it. I think the idea is that Pitch was pushing too hard on Boro as a wolf after initially pegging him as Moon Moon - but I'm having a very hard time seeing his actions as more suspect than (say) Lalaith's.

Conclusions & Lessons Learned

-Never use the word 'see' in Werewolf. (Haha, I've already used it three times in this post... I just can't help it!)

-Look at other people's accusations in detail, bearing in mind the suspect's arguments, behaviour, and voting record.

-Don't trust innocents' judgement just because they're innocent. I ignored BoroMoon partly because of Sally's confidence in him, and was guided into the Lalaith lynch partly by Pitch (who I thought was innocent at the time...!).

-Don't be too defensive. I'm thinking that only actual accusations need to be replied to, not random comments that could lead to them.

-Don't get up at 3am to try and get the drop on the wolves; it doesn't help.

Well, I had fun, and I survived to the final Day as a newbie; I'll take that. Congratulations and well played to Team Werewolf, and thank you to everyone - especially Galadriel55 for setting it all up and bringing me in!

hS

[Morsul the Dark]

You acted suspicious to me. I only acted on those suspicions. Also don’t really appreciate being called a liar.(unrelated but that comment irked me.)

[Morsul the Dark]

I would have dreamt you instead of Boro had he not so obviously been evil after his vote Day 2.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

You acted suspicious to me. I only acted on those suspicions. Also don’t really appreciate being called a liar.(unrelated but that comment irked me.)

... oh, right. That. I'm sorry for calling you a liar. I was trying to stress that we should trust the Seer rather than claiming he'd done things he hadn't. The idea that you'd dreamed Night One, then got mixed up, and then that the person you'd dreamed was dead and not worth mentioning, didn't even come close to occuring to me. I'm sorry.

For potential future games - can you be more specific on what you think was suspicious? Having the Seer focus near-exclusively on you when you're innocent is pretty unnerving...!

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

I do think Rune overreached with his tag-along accusation of Boro

I swear I cursed at the screen when I saw this, and you were totally right to point the finger at it; it was such an easy standard textbook suspicion. Good wolf-spotting!

(Rune, don't get me wrong, I enjoyed wolfing with you and was sorry to see you go. I wish we could have shared the Night kills! You left no ties to me, that helped.)

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

honestly, I think I would have voted Lalaith even if Pitch had been entirely absent. She said too much that came across as logical errors, misinterpretations, and just plain wrong statements, and had a hard time naming suspects.

Boro addressed this: innocents, because they're flying blind, can make mistakes, slip up, misread things just as well as wolves; wolves on the other hand, knowing who is on their side and who isn't, can be mercilessly logical and coherent. Also, appearing to be helpful by answering questions and clarifying things is great cover for a wolf!

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

I've looked back at Shasta's posts against Pitch, and I still don't see it. I think the idea is that Pitch was pushing too hard on Boro as a wolf after initially pegging him as Moon Moon

This - I even said myself that the cobbler isn't our main concern, but Boro just made too convenient a target to let go. Also note that I commented on a few suspicious things that Rune had done but never followed up on it. "Hmm, yes, his sudden suspicion of Zil is fishy -- Oh, look, a butterfly!"

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Pitch

I honestly think the Rule of First is a daft rule though -- the last in a tie should be considered the village's best-informed choice; that's just an observation though, no criticism of*G55's modding.

Interesting, and fair enough. I will consider this for the future. Personally, I kind of hate the rule of lasts - at least in my experience it often ends in people waiting for the :00 on the deadline to post their vote to make sure it comes in, in later Days. It's a backwards race of who comes in last. Maybe I just don't like it cause once my side lost through such voting cause our vote came a bit too late, at DL:01. Maybe doing a dice roll or no lynch are better alternatives. No lynch has also been misused though - but maybe that's also part of the game.

[Morsul the Dark]

I’m just still curious why Boro got a pass?