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Urwen · 05-02-2019, 05:25 AM

So there is a traitor involved.

Known traitors: Maeglin, Bereg, Grima, Mim.

Huinesoron · 05-02-2019, 05:32 AM

I feel like this is another non-person riddle (which, come to think of it, almost all of the original Hobbit Riddle Game was, too - personifying the inanimate is pretty much a tradition), but unfortunately my mind keeps jumping to Star Wars: "Your thoughts betray you."

The repeated reference to voices is pushing me towards someone being betrayed by their own loud voice, but I... don't think Tolkien ever wrote that, so probably not.

hS

Urwen · 05-02-2019, 05:39 AM

Wait, could it be that Nerwen is being cheeky and the answer is, in fact, Anglachel?

He warned you that I might betray - It won't love a hand that it serves, nor will it stay with you long
And quick were you to give away- Yet I will wield it while I may
Or did you hear a voice within, - A speaking sword
The future whisper of my kin? - Anglachel and Anguirel

Nerwen · 05-02-2019, 05:50 AM

Urwen, you're on very much the right track- in fact perfectly correct in your interpretation of one of the lines- but the "speaker" is not Anglachel (or Anguirel). Anglachel is involved, however.

Urwen · 05-02-2019, 08:18 AM

Gurthang then?

Nerwen · 05-02-2019, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Gurthang then?

If it were "Gurthang" I'd have accepted "Anglachel" as the answer.

Again, though, Anglachel/Gurthang is referenced, but is not the "speaker"- which is a little more obscure.

The whole thing is basically talking about a brief incident taking place at a specific point in time- so think about the meaning of future whisper. Or you could try working out who "he" and "you" might be.

Urwen · 05-03-2019, 02:16 AM

So Anglachel is referenced?

How about Nan Elmoth then? It betrayed Aredhel, and it's where Anglachel was made.

05-02-2019, 05:25 AM	#1
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	So there is a traitor involved. Known traitors: Maeglin, Bereg, Grima, Mim. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-02-2019, 05:39 AM	#3
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Wait, could it be that Nerwen is being cheeky and the answer is, in fact, Anglachel? He warned you that I might betray - It won't love a hand that it serves, nor will it stay with you long And quick were you to give away- Yet I will wield it while I may Or did you hear a voice within, - A speaking sword The future whisper of my kin? - Anglachel and Anguirel __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-02-2019, 05:50 AM	#4
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Urwen, you're on very much the right track- in fact perfectly correct in your interpretation of one of the lines- but the "speaker" is not Anglachel (or Anguirel). Anglachel is involved, however. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

05-02-2019, 08:18 AM	#5
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Gurthang then? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-03-2019, 02:16 AM	#7
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	So Anglachel is referenced? How about Nan Elmoth then? It betrayed Aredhel, and it's where Anglachel was made. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia. Last edited by Urwen; 05-03-2019 at 03:09 AM.

05-02-2019, 05:32 AM	#2
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,971	I feel like this is another non-person riddle (which, come to think of it, almost all of the original Hobbit Riddle Game was, too - personifying the inanimate is pretty much a tradition), but unfortunately my mind keeps jumping to Star Wars: "Your thoughts betray you." The repeated reference to voices is pushing me towards someone being betrayed by their own loud voice, but I... don't think Tolkien ever wrote that, so probably not. hS