"Bad Guy" Trivia - Page 20 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Huinesoron · 03-02-2020, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Wrong. I didn't say 'Moeleg', but 'Morleg'. Check you War of the Jewels copy, yo.

I just figured Tolkien's writing was tricky enough that the one name might have been a misreading by CT of the other.

(cue another trip to the bookshelf)

Okay, so since G55's answer is deemed incorrect, I'm going to go with 'he died a traitor, and his name has gone out in shame from among Eldar and Noldoli'.

hS

Urwen · 03-02-2020, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Huinesoron

I just figured Tolkien's writing was tricky enough that the one name might have been a misreading by CT of the other.

(cue another trip to the bookshelf)

Okay, so since G55's answer is deemed incorrect, I'm going to go with 'he died a traitor, and his name has gone out in shame from among Eldar and Noldoli'.

hS

Not that one either.

Urwen · 03-02-2020, 05:42 PM

Wanna know the true answer?

Huinesoron · 03-02-2020, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Wanna know the true answer?

Sure, if you're tired of us guessing.

Though from one of the other threads (riddles, maybe?) I'll hazard a guess at 'in the fires that consumed Gondolin'.

hS

Urwen · 03-02-2020, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Sure, if you're tired of us guessing.

Though from one of the other threads (riddles, maybe?) I'll hazard a guess at 'in the fires that consumed Gondolin'.

hS

That's what I was looking for.

Your turn.

Huinesoron · 03-03-2020, 07:04 AM

I'm still not convinced that Meglin of the BoLT-Fall of Gondolin survived to reach the fires - the story specifically says he bounced three times on the way down. But we got there in the end, so I can't quibble too much.

Okay, time for one of my all-time favourite stories:

Which bad guy did Tolkien (probably) imagine got chased up this tree? And by who?

It's here on Google Maps, if that's any help to you.

hS

Urwen · 03-03-2020, 07:11 AM

I am imagining Tevildo, by Huan.

Huinesoron · 03-03-2020, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

I am imagining Tevildo, by Huan.

Tevildo is actually involved in this story, though only because he gnaws through something before the tree-chasing episode. Huan is not.

hS

Urwen · 03-03-2020, 07:35 AM

One of his servants then? Meoita? Miaule?

Huinesoron · 03-03-2020, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

One of his servants then? Meoita? Miaule?

Nope and nope.

I don't mean 'a tree that looked like this'; I mean this tree.

hS

Urwen · 03-03-2020, 07:40 AM

Google reveals nothing regarding that particular tree.

Huinesoron · 03-03-2020, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Google reveals nothing regarding that particular tree.

I am very sorry for Google.

If that's the route you're taking, you might want to check whether the house it's in the grounds of has any possible connection to Tolkien.

hS

Urwen · 03-03-2020, 08:42 AM

In that case, how about Melkor, who was chased by Telimektar?

Huinesoron · 03-03-2020, 08:51 AM

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In that case, how about Melkor, who was chased by Telimektar?

Correct, though arguably you should have said Melko.

This is the great pine tree of Shugborough Hall, which is convincingly (in my mind) described as the inspiration for the House of a Hundred Chimneys at Tavrobel in the Book of Lost Tales. The Great Pine of Tavrobel was in the garden of that house, and as soon as I saw this tree I was positive Tolkien was thinking of it when he wrote that.

I've covered both the story and the connection - and shared this picture - in a previous thread if you want to know more.

Over to you.

hS

Urwen · 03-03-2020, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Correct, though arguably you should have said Melko.

This is the great pine tree of Shugborough Hall, which is convincingly (in my mind) described as the inspiration for the House of a Hundred Chimneys at Tavrobel in the Book of Lost Tales. The Great Pine of Tavrobel was in the garden of that house, and as soon as I saw this tree I was positive Tolkien was thinking of it when he wrote that.

I've covered both the story and the connection - and shared this picture - in a previous thread if you want to know more.

Over to you.

hS

Oh, I saw that. How else do you think I found the answer?

Urwen · 03-03-2020, 09:19 AM

All right, so, I ask thusly:

Which 'bad guy' inflicted a cursed wound upon (at least) two characters?

(Nothing to do with Silm, for once.)

Galadriel55 · 03-03-2020, 09:27 AM

Witch King? Wounded Frodo and Eowyn.

Urwen · 03-03-2020, 10:57 AM

Yup.

Galadriel55 · 03-03-2020, 12:19 PM

This "bad guy" made up his own name. Not to be confused with a not so bad guy whose name was not likely made up by him.

Urwen · 03-03-2020, 12:49 PM

Tar-Calion?

Galadriel55 · 03-03-2020, 08:14 PM

Nope.

Huinesoron · 03-04-2020, 02:35 AM

I think the Kings of Numenor are a good route to take, so... how about Tar-Herunumen/Ar-Adunakhor? The true "Lord of the West" is kind of morally washy at times, but certainly not a bad guy, and he's not said to have given himself the title.

hS

Galadriel55 · 03-04-2020, 06:12 AM

Kings of Numenor are the wrong route to take. The answer is much less obscure.

Your logic for linking Ar-Adunakjor with both sentences of the clue is on the right track.

Urwen · 03-04-2020, 06:20 AM

Sauron? I am not sure whether he named himself or not, but he and Frodo were both called 'Lord of the Rings' in the books.

Galadriel55 · 03-04-2020, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Sauron? I am not sure whether he named himself or not, but he and Frodo were both called 'Lord of the Rings' in the books.

Not him either.

I am wondering now if the clue is a little too vague. I can alter it or add more hints if you find you're working with too many possibilities.

Urwen · 03-04-2020, 08:05 AM

Am I in right time period at least

Galadriel55 · 03-04-2020, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Am I in right time period at least

With Sauron? Seeing as he existed from the start of the First Age until the end of the Third Age... yes, I suppose you are right, the answer is somewhere in between those time points.

Urwen · 03-04-2020, 09:28 AM

Then let me rephrase: is the answer in the Third Age?

Urwen · 03-04-2020, 09:35 AM

List of villains in Arda

Morgoth: Feanor named him that, so not him.
Sauron: You said no to this.
Gothmog: No.
Ungoliant: No
Saruman: He fits the first part, but not the second part.

You said no to Kings of Numenor.

Who else is left?

Well, I suppose Turin would fit.....if he were a villain.....and if anyone else shared one of the names he gave himself.....

Galadriel55 · 03-04-2020, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Then let me rephrase: is the answer in the Third Age?

Yes.

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Originally Posted by Urwen

List of villains in Arda

Morgoth: Feanor named him that, so not him.
Sauron: You said no to this.
Gothmog: No.
Ungoliant: No
Saruman: He fits the first part, but not the second part.

You said no to Kings of Numenor.

Who else is left?

Well, I suppose Turin would fit.....if he were a villain.....and if anyone else shared one of the names he gave himself.....

That's a very short list.
And not all bad guys are necessarily villains.

Don't look for villains who share names with goodies. The shared aspect that I had in mind writing the clue is not the character's name.

Urwen · 03-04-2020, 10:59 AM

Well, Smeagol is the bad guy who technically named himself, Gollum Gollum. And his friend and 'good counterpart' was Deagol.

If this one is incorrect too, then I'd appreciate a hint or two. Can't speak for Huey, though.

Galadriel55 · 03-04-2020, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Well, Smeagol is the bad guy who technically named himself, Gollum Gollum. And his friend and 'good counterpart' was Deagol.

So, you named the right names, but not as I initially intended.

Gollum is a bad guy (sort of) who made up his own name. Not to be confused with Smeagol, a name used to highlight the remaining goodness (or at least not quite badness) in the character.

But close enough. Over to you.

Urwen · 03-04-2020, 03:02 PM

Here is a new puzzle in a form of a riddle:

I once lived in land so fair
There, that which wasn't mine I had claimed
I killed that land as I killed her
And for that, I'll always be blamed
(Long after I am dead.)

Galadriel55 · 03-04-2020, 08:15 PM

Ar-Pharazon, the land being Numenor, and "her" being Miriel?

Urwen · 03-05-2020, 03:45 AM

Yup.

Galadriel55 · 03-05-2020, 07:50 AM

This bad guy was once defeated by a seed-bearing structure. What was the other notable mechanism of defeat?

Urwen · 03-05-2020, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55

This bad guy was once defeated by a seed-bearing structure. What was the other notable mechanism of defeat?

If it means what I think it means, then the answer is 'being stabbed in the back by his own ally'.

Galadriel55 · 03-05-2020, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

If it means what I think it means, then the answer is 'being stabbed in the back by his own ally'.

Mmm, not what I was thinking of. Who are you talking about?

Urwen · 03-05-2020, 08:29 AM

Saruman.

Urwen · 03-05-2020, 09:23 AM

A person defeated by a fruit.....a person defeated by a fruit.....Bill Ferny.....

03-02-2020, 05:42 PM	#763
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Wanna know the true answer? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-03-2020, 07:11 AM	#767
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	I am imagining Tevildo, by Huan. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-03-2020, 07:35 AM	#769
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	One of his servants then? Meoita? Miaule? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-03-2020, 07:40 AM	#771
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Alas Google reveals nothing regarding that particular tree. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-03-2020, 08:42 AM	#773
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	In that case, how about Melkor, who was chased by Telimektar? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-03-2020, 07:04 AM	#766
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,972	I'm still not convinced that Meglin of the BoLT-Fall of Gondolin survived to reach the fires - the story specifically says he bounced three times on the way down. But we got there in the end, so I can't quibble too much. Okay, time for one of my all-time favourite stories: Which bad guy did Tolkien (probably) imagine got chased up this tree? And by who? It's here on Google Maps, if that's any help to you. hS

03-03-2020, 09:19 AM	#776
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	All right, so, I ask thusly: Which 'bad guy' inflicted a cursed wound upon (at least) two characters? (Nothing to do with Silm, for once.) __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-03-2020, 09:27 AM	#777
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	Witch King? Wounded Frodo and Eowyn. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

03-03-2020, 10:57 AM	#778
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Yup. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-03-2020, 12:19 PM	#779
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	This "bad guy" made up his own name. Not to be confused with a not so bad guy whose name was not likely made up by him. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

03-03-2020, 12:49 PM	#780
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Tar-Calion? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-03-2020, 08:14 PM	#781
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	Nope. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

03-04-2020, 02:35 AM	#782
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,972	I think the Kings of Numenor are a good route to take, so... how about Tar-Herunumen/Ar-Adunakhor? The true "Lord of the West" is kind of morally washy at times, but certainly not a bad guy, and he's not said to have given himself the title. hS

03-04-2020, 06:12 AM	#783
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	Kings of Numenor are the wrong route to take. The answer is much less obscure. Your logic for linking Ar-Adunakjor with both sentences of the clue is on the right track. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

03-04-2020, 06:20 AM	#784
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Sauron? I am not sure whether he named himself or not, but he and Frodo were both called 'Lord of the Rings' in the books. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-04-2020, 08:05 AM	#786
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Am I in right time period at least __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-04-2020, 09:28 AM	#788
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Then let me rephrase: is the answer in the Third Age? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-04-2020, 09:35 AM	#789
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	List of villains in Arda Morgoth: Feanor named him that, so not him. Sauron: You said no to this. Gothmog: No. Ungoliant: No Saruman: He fits the first part, but not the second part. You said no to Kings of Numenor. Who else is left? Well, I suppose Turin would fit.....if he were a villain.....and if anyone else shared one of the names he gave himself..... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-04-2020, 10:59 AM	#791
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Well, Smeagol is the bad guy who technically named himself, Gollum Gollum. And his friend and 'good counterpart' was Deagol. If this one is incorrect too, then I'd appreciate a hint or two. Can't speak for Huey, though. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-04-2020, 03:02 PM	#793
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Here is a new puzzle in a form of a riddle: I once lived in land so fair There, that which wasn't mine I had claimed I killed that land as I killed her And for that, I'll always be blamed (Long after I am dead.) __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia. Last edited by Urwen; 03-04-2020 at 03:07 PM.

03-04-2020, 08:15 PM	#794
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	Ar-Pharazon, the land being Numenor, and "her" being Miriel? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

03-05-2020, 03:45 AM	#795
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Yup. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-05-2020, 07:50 AM	#796
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	This bad guy was once defeated by a seed-bearing structure. What was the other notable mechanism of defeat? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

03-05-2020, 08:29 AM	#799
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Saruman. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-05-2020, 09:23 AM	#800
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	A person defeated by a fruit.....a person defeated by a fruit.....Bill Ferny..... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.