Family Tree Trivia

[Urwen]

So who are the grumpy Elf's 1st cousins twice removed?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

So who are the grumpy Elf's 1st cousins twice removed?

Ha, this is a trick question: Thranduil's family tree isn't developed enough to know!

... all right, all right. I'm going to assume Maeglin? In which case we're looking for his grandfather's great-great grandchildren. As Eol doesn't have a known parent, that means Fingolfin's. So... Turgon is the only one of the High King's children whose line endured. Idril is his only child, and her grandchildren are Elrond and Elros.

(As for Thranduil: if my latest version of the Elmo family tree is accepted, Thranduil's grandfather is an unrecorded son of Elmo, who was also the father of Amdir of Lorien. That makes Amroth Thranduil's first cousin - but Amroth has no children. So Thranduil definitely has no first cousins twice removed. ^_^)

hS

[Urwen]

No, not Thranduil or Maeglin's. If I meant Maeglin, I would have said 'naughty elf'. But you did mention the 'grumpy elf' in your reasoning, so think about it.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

No, not Thranduil or Maeglin's. If I meant Maeglin, I would have said 'naughty elf'. But you did mention the 'grumpy elf' in your reasoning, so think about it.

Well, the grumpiest non-Thranduil elf I mentioned was Eol... come to think of it, while looking up 'Glindur' for the Passwords, I think I saw a passing mention of Eol as cousin to Cel'n'Cur. So is the answer the Sons of Feanor?

(And if so, is there any more detail to that family tree? It would imply that Eol was first cousin to either Finwe or Mahtan...)

hS

[Urwen]

No. The Elf I had in mind was only grumpy in the movies. Specifically, FOTR movie.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Also, you think Eol = Glindur? Eol??

LoLno. Glindur is most definitely not Eol.

No, no I do not. But for some weird and wacky reason, Eol has a tendency to show up in the same pages as this 'Glindur' chap. You'd almost think they were related or something.

hS

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

No, no I do not. But for some weird and wacky reason, Eol has a tendency to show up in the same pages as this 'Glindur' chap. You'd almost think they were related or something.

hS

Targlin, Morlin, Morleg, Glindur

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

No. The Elf I had in mind was only grumpy in the movies. Specifically, FOTR movie.

Okay, so Agent Elrond. First cousin means grandparents' other grandkids. His grandparents are Tuor and Idril on the one hand (only had one kid, so not them), and Dior and Nim... loth? on the other (had three kids, two of whom died in the woods). So he didn't even have simple first cousins, let alone twice removed.

Except.

Except Elrond also has another parent: Maglor, who adopted him. His adoptive grandparents are Feanor and Nerdanel; that makes Celebrimbor his adoptive first cousin at no removes. But... as far as I know, that's the last of House Feanor.

So I still can't find anybody.

hS

[Urwen]

Oh, but first cousins twice-removed are different than first cousins. According to the chart I've found, first cousins twice removed are your great-great-great-grandfather's grandkids. So who's Elrond's great-great-great-grandfather? Once you know that, answering the question should be easy.