Family Tree Trivia

[Urwen]

Correct.

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Also, y'know, there's not that many estranged couples in M-e.

Well, there is Feanor and Nerdanel, as well as Alvar and Isfin (albeit briefly). And then Feanor died and Alvar died and Isfin died, so I guess they don't count as estranged anymore.

[Galadriel55]

I am very slowly rereading The Sil in between tasks, and I am newly impressed with Nerdanel's skill in restraining and guiding Feanor. Much more impressed than I was on my first read at the ripe old age of 13.

Sorry about the tangent. She's just a very remarkable estranged wife.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Well, there is Feanor and Nerdanel, as well as Alvar and Isfin (albeit briefly). And then Feanor died and Alvar died and Isfin died, so I guess they don't count as estranged anymore.

Not to mention Yavanna and Mr. "Nevertheless they will have need of wood" Aule... still, it was a nicely constrained list.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I am very slowly rereading The Sil in between tasks, and I am newly impressed with Nerdanel's skill in restraining and guiding Feanor. Much more impressed than I was on my first read at the ripe old age of 13.

Sorry about the tangent. She's just a very remarkable estranged wife.

As far as I'm concerned, this sort of tangent is fantastic. Like a lot of Tolkien's women, Nerdanel is a fascinating character who I wish had more written about her. Her Gateway article includes comments like "She was not considered among 'the fairest of her people'," and "the element nerd- in Nerdanel perhaps derives from nerdo ('large, strong man')," which paints an even more peculiar picture - along with the fact that she pretty firmly broke with Feanor at the point he was exiled and she said 'nah, I'm gonna go live with your hated stepmother'.

Speaking of whom...

How many female Elven descendants does Indis have?

hS

[Urwen]

Tolkien Gateway says eight.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Tolkien Gateway says eight.

I didn't actually check the answer myself... Aredhel and Idril, Galadriel, Celebrian, and Arwen, Finduilas... that's six by Silm-canon, but yes, Findis and Irime makes eight.

Huh, and Irime crossed the Ice with Fingolfin. Given that she was "generally known" as Lalwen, I wonder if Lal[aith Ur]wen was partially named in her honour? After Fingolfin's death, she would have been the Grand Old Lady of the Noldor in Middle-earth, and she seems to have lived in Hithlum, so it's not at all implausible.

Look, now I'm tangenting. ^_^ To you.

hS

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Huh, and Irime crossed the Ice with Fingolfin. Given that she was "generally known" as Lalwen, I wonder if Lal[aith Ur]wen was partially named in her honour? After Fingolfin's death, she would have been the Grand Old Lady of the Noldor in Middle-earth, and she seems to have lived in Hithlum, so it's not at all implausible.
hS

Nice.

And speaking of those two, what is the relation between them?

(And yes, they do have one via Turgon ^_^)

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Nice.

And speaking of those two, what is the relation between them?

(And yes, they do have one via Turgon ^_^)

Indeed they do! Lalwen is Lalaith's first cousin's great aunt by marriage, while Lalaith is Lalwen's grand-niece's husband's first cousin.

hS