Family Tree Trivia

[Huinesoron]

Right, I wanted to ask this about Aragorn, but as far as I can tell the answer is just "hahaha no," so:

Who is Arwen's closest named cousin whose lifespan overlaps with hers?

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[Urwen]

That requires extensive math, so I'll just say both halves of 'Fallen Banners' ship and be done with it.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Who is Arwen's closest named cousin whose lifespan overlaps with hers?

On the Elvish side, I believe the last of the family is dead before the end of the Second Age, with the deaths of Celebrimbor and Gil-Galad. Arwen was born after the start of the TA. So looking therefore at the human side of the lineage, Arwen's cousin-many-times-removed Valandil was alive when she was born.

[Huinesoron]

I'm not sure what the 'Fallen Banners' ship is, but I do know you're both wrong. She reportedly has a living first cousin twice removed.

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[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

I'm not sure what the 'Fallen Banners' ship is, but I do know you're both wrong. She reportedly has a living first cousin twice removed.

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...You aren't talking about Finrod reborn?

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

I'm not sure what the 'Fallen Banners' ship is, but I do know you're both wrong. She reportedly has a living first cousin twice removed.

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If you don't know what Fallen Banners is, then how do you know I'm wrong?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

...You aren't talking about Finrod reborn?

I like that (and missed it), but I think he's her great-uncle.

Originally Posted by Urwen

If you don't know what Fallen Banners is, then how do you know I'm wrong?

Because you said 'both halves', and this closest cousin is a singleton.

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[Galadriel55]

I first posted about Elwing being related to Celeborn. Then I deleted it, cause I thought, that's silly, Elwing is Arwen's grandmother. And now I'm posting the answer again, because given Elven family trees one can be both a grandma and a cousin.


Edit: tried to check the same for Earendil going through Galadriel, but that takes too many steps I think.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

I like that (and missed it), but I think he's her great-uncle.

Yes he is. Also, "lifespan" would then also be a stretch in his case.


But here is another oddball I haven't considered initially: Ar-Pharazon. He remains in a sort of deathless state, suspended by Eru, right? It would take quite a bit of genealogy checking to say for certain, but just chronology-wise he is a closer cousin than Valandil.

[Huinesoron]

Elwing: I think she'd be Arwen's second cousin? They're both great-granddaughters of Galadhon. But I think you generally take only the closest relationship, right? Otherwise, the Hobbits - whooo-ee!

According to the coefficient of relationship page, second cousin and first cousin twice removed are identically close (3.125%). So Elwing would be a viable answer - were she not her great granny.

Pharazon is also an interesting catch, but still very distant by comparison.

Fallen Banners: sure, but I can only find one person whose closest relationship to Arwen is at the first cousin twice removed level. It doesn't matter who you ship them with, that person would be more distant. Or dead.

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[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

I like that (and missed it), but I think he's her great-uncle.



Because you said 'both halves', and this closest cousin is a singleton.

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Well, they are singletons too. Fallen Banners is a fan couple, not a canonical one.