Family Tree Trivia

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

...You aren't talking about Finrod reborn?

I like that (and missed it), but I think he's her great-uncle.

Originally Posted by Urwen

If you don't know what Fallen Banners is, then how do you know I'm wrong?

Because you said 'both halves', and this closest cousin is a singleton.

hS

[Galadriel55]

I first posted about Elwing being related to Celeborn. Then I deleted it, cause I thought, that's silly, Elwing is Arwen's grandmother. And now I'm posting the answer again, because given Elven family trees one can be both a grandma and a cousin.


Edit: tried to check the same for Earendil going through Galadriel, but that takes too many steps I think.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

I like that (and missed it), but I think he's her great-uncle.

Yes he is. Also, "lifespan" would then also be a stretch in his case.


But here is another oddball I haven't considered initially: Ar-Pharazon. He remains in a sort of deathless state, suspended by Eru, right? It would take quite a bit of genealogy checking to say for certain, but just chronology-wise he is a closer cousin than Valandil.

[Huinesoron]

Elwing: I think she'd be Arwen's second cousin? They're both great-granddaughters of Galadhon. But I think you generally take only the closest relationship, right? Otherwise, the Hobbits - whooo-ee!

According to the coefficient of relationship page, second cousin and first cousin twice removed are identically close (3.125%). So Elwing would be a viable answer - were she not her great granny.

Pharazon is also an interesting catch, but still very distant by comparison.

Fallen Banners: sure, but I can only find one person whose closest relationship to Arwen is at the first cousin twice removed level. It doesn't matter who you ship them with, that person would be more distant. Or dead.

hS

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Elwing: I think she'd be Arwen's second cousin? They're both great-granddaughters of Galadhon. But I think you generally take only the closest relationship, right? Otherwise, the Hobbits - whooo-ee!

According to the coefficient of relationship page, second cousin and first cousin twice removed are identically close (3.125%). So Elwing would be a viable answer - were she not her great granny.

Pharazon is also an interesting catch, but still very distant by comparison.

Fallen Banners: sure, but I can only find one person whose closest relationship to Arwen is at the first cousin twice removed level. It doesn't matter who you ship them with, that person would be more distant. Or dead.

hS

But if we treat them as separate people, rather than a ship, then one of them could work as an answer...

[Urwen]

So it's one of Elros or Elrond's great-grandchildren. The closest I can come is Tar-Elendil...

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

*facepalm*

Maglor!

Maglor! There he is. Correct, over to you.

Originally Posted by Urwen

So it's one of Elros or Elrond's great-grandchildren. The closest I can come is Tar-Elendil...

So I apologise for being wrong before: cousin-Ness is indeed reciprocal. So Arwen is the great-grandchild (of Finarfin, in this case).

hS

[Urwen]

And I was gonna say Maeglin/Celebrimbor too.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Maglor! There he is. Correct, over to you.

So much for me going "All Feanorians are dead! Nothing to be gained there!"

I get confused with family tree relationship terms in English, because they are different (and make so much more sense to me!) in Russian. For instance, in Russian Maglor would be Arwen's secondary great-uncle. I had to draw out the family tree to see where the "cousin" relationship actually happens.


A quick one, with a bit of an opposite twist to this thread:

Who *forfeited* a family for a promise not yet made?

[Galadriel55]

*facepalm*

Maglor!

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

I like that (and missed it), but I think he's her great-uncle.



Because you said 'both halves', and this closest cousin is a singleton.

hS

Well, they are singletons too. Fallen Banners is a fan couple, not a canonical one.