Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, game thread

[THE Ka]

Originally Posted by Lommy

I simply thought claiming to be the hunter would be a quite cunning and in character move from a wolf!Sally, because (quoting myself) "a) the real hunter might be reluctant to challenge because it greatly decreases their chance to get to use their special ability and b) conversely, flushing the real hunter out is a big favour to the wolves, it's like flagging a landmine for them". I'm not sure it really depends on whether it's early or late in the game. Perhaps earlier is even better for wolves, but I wasn't looking at it timing-wise yesterDay.

Got it, that answers it more for me. Kath had pointed out earlier with a quote from Mac the previous Day where he had mused that the wolves if targeting a hunter would want them out of the way early since the risk of the hunter taking an innocent was high. Before knowing his role, this could have been seen as a wolfish way of laying a subtle hint to pack mates, but now it's just a villager concerned.

[Kath]

Originally Posted by Lommy

I remember you backed off the Legate suspicion but I didn't remember you suspected Eönwë. Sorry, my bad about that one. The Boro and Brinn thing though, it really just adds to my general unease about some fairly commonly suspected names floating around in the lynch discussion yesterDay but garnering scarcely any votes. Why did you, for instance, vote Sally and not Eönwë, or Boro or Brinn? Had you done that as soon as you started voicing your misgivings about the Sally lynch, there might have been an actual option to lynch someone else.

This is in response to Lal. Agreed, but there were quite a few others in the same boat. Who was still to vote after sally's reveal:

Lottie - 9.53
Lalaith - 9.55
Legate - 9.56 - known innocent
Shasta - 9.56
Brinn - 9.58
Rune - 9.58
Boro - 9.58
Mac - 9.58 - known innocent
Pitch - 9.59
(Lhuna - no vote)

The first vote after the reveal was Lottie's, half an hour after sally's vote, and that was with 7 minutes to go, and by the look of it almost every vote from then cross posted. Out of all 9 actual voters there, no one took the plunge of pushing forward another candidate fast enough. Very likely there are wolves who didn't want to be the first onto an alternative bandwagon who were watching the insanity with glee. But looking at the lateness of Legate and Mac's votes, who we now know were innocent, means not immediately throwing out an alternative doesn't automatically equal wolf.

[Kath]

Originally Posted by Pitch

Which is to say, even though they're free of evil intentions, our beloved quarantined may still be wrong and the baddies can hijack a vote for a non-wolf.

Agreed, but we're at two baddies and five innocents, so the baddies can't have the same level of influence as before.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Lommy

No one but me has even looked at the Legate kill.

I haven't had a chance to look deeply into it, but I've thought about it and read your analysis.

Legate seems like another safe, boring kill since it seems he was widely presumed innocent. But then again, why wouldn't the wolves try seeking out the seer? Unless they wanted us to think they were targeting the seer or they were worried that targeting a seer could implicate one of them. But it seems too risky to not seek out the seer - the longer they remain alive, the bigger the risk they are to the wolves.

So maybe the wolves did think Legate was possibly a seer who dreamed of Hui. I do agree that if they did kill Legate for seer suspicions, then that does put Rune in a better light.

[THE Ka]

(Sorry for delay, my work suddenly decided to have a conference call with all mgmt. and our tribe on gradually reopening businesses)

Originally Posted by Kath

Agreed, but we're at two baddies and five innocents, so the baddies can't have the same level of influence as before.

yesterDay:

Originally Posted by Lottie

Huh. QT votes for Brinn again. Do they actually want Brinn lynched, or are they repeating yesterDay's vote as a way to refuse to give us anything from Huin to guess about?

Having a chance to go back and begin reading everything that happened near DL yesterDay, I'm agreeing with Lottie's observation. I know we've joked about the repetitive QT vote, but I highly doubt we're going to see a vote like this to cover for anyone toDay. If Brinn is still in the suspicion for being a wolf and 'protected' by the dismissal of the QT as Zil pointed out yesterDay, I just don't see it swinging that way a third time. If anything for suspicion on Brinn, it will either allow them to return to a safe spot to hide or force them to be more forward.

Like Kath has said, it's the level of influence. Huin and G55, whatever they may be saying toDay in the QT, it's a fair assumption that Legate is going to be interested in what they were trying to cover from Huin previously. It also makes me suspicious that the wolves are going to be interested in waiting for the QT vote as well so we may see a last minute push of their preferred bandwagon.

It made me want to go back to Legate's #740:

Originally Posted by Legate

I think they are doing this to give us no info, plus potentially even discourage us from it (depending what Brinn is). Anyway, clearly messing with us in some way, that's for sure.

Breeeeep. Disagreed. I'd almost be tempted to shove it in the QT's face and vote her. But let's think about this for a sec.

Yes, this is one, fairly plausible, option, in my opinion.

From this we glean that Legate highly suspected the Brinn QT vote to be a cover, give us no information, and was almost tempted to do the opposite and vote for Brinn (which if there was some earlier plan before Hui ended up in QT to collaborate between the two threads to not give info and save Brinn, it would potentially force the wolves to decide quickly whether to abandon their current bandwagons to save Brinn or be forced to give her up.) A frantic situation like that two hours before DL could glean a lot of leads on potential wolves.
I know before when G55 had made the fake-vote idea, Legate mainly was interested in it due to this similar effect of disarming wolf-planning suddenly.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Lommy

Shasta -> Sally 8

"-shrug emoji-" From a person who was pretty loud that we should lynch Sally regardless of her role? Really?

If my, like, two posts stating a differing opinion to the majority qualifies as "pretty loud", what does that make you? Ear-shattering?

Originally Posted by Lommy

Thoughts: I'm not super keen on Lalaith and Shasta's votes, the former voting Sally without even saying whether she believes her or not, the latter voting Sally despite thinking it's a bad idea. Brinn's attitude towards the whole debacle looks super safe, but not necessarily sinister.

I explained that already - I'm used to Hunters that the wolves have to kill, and you had a point; wolves wouldn't necessarily have had to kill a revealed Hunter here. Although I do think, as I type this, the case for a wolf-Lommy going all-out to get Hunter-Sally lynched to take down a non-wolf grows... and makes Lottie look better, maybe? Hmm. Pin in that.

Back to my train of thought - I fully thought Sally was a wolf; leaving the Hunter to the wolves was an option. No one seemed to really go for it, so I was fine voting for Sally in the end. Hence the shrug.

X'ed since my last.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Ok. I've gone away, I've had a glass of wine and a think and here's what.

Maybe I should try this wolf-catching method too

Originally Posted by Pitch

[Incidentally: +1000 posts on D4? Whole games have played out on less than half that. This is really insane.

++tweet-style character/post-capped game

TIG CXV - The Liar Tweets Tonight?]

I'm looking forward to you and Rune co-modding this in June.

Originally Posted by Shasta

If my, like, two posts stating a differing opinion to the majority qualifies as "pretty loud", what does that make you? Ear-shattering?

Touché.

I actually went and read Boro and Brinn's posts on Lhuna, and now there's Kath's. None of them are sources I would take without a pinch of salt , but they all do have some good arguments for Lhuna being a wolf. Plus, there's the weird bandwagon roll call she never explained, plus her quickly pointing out then shutting up about Huey's wolf slip.

Might as well put my money where my mouth is and vote before the last chaos minutes:

++Lhuna


Lhuna -> Eönwë
Eönwë -> Boro
QT -> Lhuna
Inzil -> Lommy
Lottie -> Boro 2
Greenie -> Zil
The Ka -> Lhuna 2
Pitchwife -> Eönwë 2
Lalaith -> Lhuna 3
Lommy -> Lhuna 4