Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXV: On the Borders of Mirkwood - Dead Thread

[Boromir88]

Now that he's said it, I can finally tell Lottie...

Originally Posted by Nilp

(I was more disappointed with my DAY 1 choice: it was down to Lottie or Bryn [sic], and guess who I chose.)

Very close Night 2, but yet not quite.

Originally Posted by BG

(Also Boro if you Mod again I will write up the stories for you! I love writing!)

Ohh, thank you. It may be a while before I want to mod another one, but don't be surprised if you hear from me to keep you to your word.

Originally Posted by BG

Congratulations guys, we've done it! If they don't figure this out then I would like to suggest to BoroMod that our Medium whacks everyone across the face. No words, just a good old whacking.

No words and just whacking might be good. I do constantly worry about over-stepping the 'official' capacity.

I didn't see any unfair advantage to convey the general feeling of displeasure with the entire village voting for Form yesterday. It probably would have been clear enough the fact he was the one mediumized, I just found myself laughing (but also agreeing) with the hair pulling and frustration that was going on in this thread yesterday, and wanted to convey that through Form in the narration since he was getting mob lynched anyway.

I do always attempt to tread carefully though, because even as a neutral official, I was asked if I unconsciously find myself rooting for one side over another? I've always felt the village starts out at a minor disadvantage (usually not so bad it can't be overcome) but there is a reason, looking at Kuru's stats why there is a slight advantage to the wolves at least at the beginning. And even when I'm on my own side, as a werebear/weredragon, I tend to want to slaughter the wolves first, before the townspeople .

I guess all I hope for is balance where both sides feel like they had their chances to either win or lose and those decisions rest in their own hands, not from some sort of unfair advantage given by the mod.

There will be plenty of time for further discussion after, I do quite like how the BH role turned out. But there's still a game to play out that can very much go either way and at least in the narrations I won't be confirming or denying the reasoning behind the dead's choices for their medium. Even if I find myself agreeing with Nog's position here...

So it starts again...

Why don't they learn that is not going to work? It's just a waste of time they'd need to put in reading Greenie's posts to find what hS did so nicely.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I do always attempt to tread carefully though, because even as a neutral official, I was asked if I unconsciously find myself rooting for one side over another?

The only place I feel you might have given away more than you meant to is here:

Originally Posted by Night 4 narration

She was in the middle of a disturbing vision. She clearly saw 1 villager's face and the face turned into a horrible, furry werewolf. There were 3 other shadowy figures in the vision but she could not make them out.

Which seems pretty clearly to indicate a) the Seer dreamt of a wolf last Night, and b) she hadn't dreamt of one before that. Both of which we dead'uns know to be true! I don't think any of the Living have caught it, though, because they're all convinced she voted Legate based on a dream.

hS

[Huinesoron]

Er...

Originally Posted by Mac

Day3

Her list helps a lot.
not dreamt of: Brinn, Form, me, Pitch, Sally, Lommy
possible wolf: Kath, Legate
possible innocent: Nilp, Rikae, Shasta

So Mac has just pulled out all three innocent dreams from Greenie's Seer-post. If he's a wolf - does he realise how strongly he's pointed the innocents at it? And if he's not a wolf - then why does he act like one?

hS

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Mac

I'm now imagining a scenario where Legate was super nervous and paranoid all the way through every single night and convinced the pack to go for whoever suspected him each time.

Legate, is this true?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

So Mac has just pulled out all three innocent dreams from Greenie's Seer-post. If he's a wolf - does he realise how strongly he's pointed the innocents at it? And if he's not a wolf - then why does he act like one?

My thoughts as well...

I'm still a bit unsure what we should do toDay. I mean yes, with not empowering anyone we'd send a message to them that we have no known wolf - which is correct and would probably be interpreted correctly by the villagers as what it says (I doubt they would pick from there any annoyance form our part if that is what we'd want to say).

But then again, isn't our job to try and get wolves lynched?

We're getting pretty close to a situation where if there is even a slight feel of a wagon starting on a one of them the others might tighten their lines and it might end up close. Then our vote might make the difference.

So, I'd suggest we don't rush into voting to empower some specific person quite yet, but wait and see how it goes in the Game Thread.

And maybe share some general ideas as to what would be our best course of action.

[Loslote]

If our vote might swing it to someone we suspect (Kath, Mac, Lommy, maybe Sally or Pitch) from someone we don't (Shasta, Rikae, Nilp), we definitely should do that, regardless of what "message" it sends. If it's another mob lynch, we either shouldn't vote or, if Boro will allow us to Mediumize one of our own Dead friends, do that as a protest Medium vote. I will be around but maybe a little distracted for the last half hour before the DL, and we can have two innocents not vote or vote early and be overvoted if need be.

[Loslote]

Of these six people:

Kath
Mac
Lommy
Sally
Brinn
Pitch

We have three or four evils (three wolves, one cobbler - I am fairly confident the cobbler is not one of Greenie's dreams, so probably four). Odds should be really good that they hit a wolf toDay. I don't know why the living still seem so confused. What are the innocents doing?

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But then again, isn't our job to try and get wolves lynched?

We're getting pretty close to a situation where if there is even a slight feel of a wagon starting on a one of them the others might tighten their lines and it might end up close. Then our vote might make the difference.

So, I'd suggest we don't rush into voting to empower some specific person quite yet, but wait and see how it goes in the Game Thread.

I absolutely agree: killing Wolves is the full priority.

But if, for example, Mac is already on the chopping block, I say we maintain silence.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

My thoughts as well...

I'm still a bit unsure what we should do toDay. I mean yes, with not empowering anyone we'd send a message to them that we have no known wolf - which is correct and would probably be interpreted correctly by the villagers as what it says (I doubt they would pick from there any annoyance form our part if that is what we'd want to say).

But then again, isn't our job to try and get wolves lynched?

Absolutely, and I agree with waiting and seeing. I think following Mac's plan (and not Mediumming anyone, to tell them we have no known wolf) is a plausible Plan C, but I think we can do better.

My Plan A would be to follow the Mac plan, but with a wolf as the target of the Medium's vote. So Nilp , Brinn , or maybe Mac - whichever votes for a likely wolf. The main issues here are a) they might not vote that way, and b) we'd be deliberately lying to the village.

Plan B would be to ignore the Mac plan entirely and just Medium someone voting for a probable wolf. This gives us the highest chance of affecting today's lynch, but would be wildly misinterpreted if the villagers buy into Mac's plan. We'd definitely want to avoid Mediumming Pitch, Sally, or Lommy, since those three would 'implicate' a known innocent.

hS

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Absolutely, and I agree with waiting and seeing. I think following Mac's plan (and not Mediumming anyone, to tell them we have no known wolf) is a plausible Plan C, but I think we can do better.

My Plan A would be to follow the Mac plan, but with a wolf as the target of the Medium's vote. So Nilp , Brinn , or maybe Mac - whichever votes for a likely wolf. The main issues here are a) they might not vote that way, and b) we'd be deliberately lying to the village.

Plan B would be to ignore the Mac plan entirely and just Medium someone voting for a probable wolf. This gives us the highest chance of affecting today's lynch, but would be wildly misinterpreted if the villagers buy into Mac's plan. We'd definitely want to avoid Mediumming Pitch, Sally, or Lommy, since those three would 'implicate' a known innocent.

hS

They'd better not hold off on voting until the last ten minutes, or we'll never be able to sort through all the ramifications in time.

[Loslote]

But yes, I agree with you, Huey - I'd lean towards even deliberately misleading them into thinking we know a wolf over holding our vote.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Now that he's said it, I can finally tell Lottie...

Very close Night 2, but yet not quite.

AhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHH so close!!

Boromod, I have a question: if we vote to Mediumize Form again, could his disembodied voice ghostly whisper the words "you're all terrible" in the narration?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Boromod, I have a question: if we vote to Mediumize Form again, could his disembodied voice ghostly whisper the words "you're all terrible" in the narration?

+-this

hS

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Loslote

AhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHH so close!!

Boromod, I have a question: if we vote to Mediumize Form again, could his disembodied voice ghostly whisper the words "you're all terrible" in the narration?

I think I'll just train myself to better give an Elvish answer...that is to say both yes and no.

That is you don't have the option to make one of yourselves the Medium "to speak." You do have the option to not choose anyone though. Even if Legate votes, if he's the only one, there still won't be one chosen today.

[Loslote]

Hey, we're back!!

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I think it's entirely possible we're too close to numbers being even to discount the use of the Medium vote as what it actually is - a vote.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Thank you! That's what I was trying to get at above. If we follow Mac's scheme or Lommy's, we'll only know what the Dead were trying to say when the lynching's done. IMO the better alternative would be for all of us to do a +-prevote, so if the Dead have a known wolf they can empower those voting them, and if they have known innocents they can empower votes to save them.

THANK YOU to Shasta and Pitch for thinking of us poor Dead.

[Nogrod]

That also makes Pitch look a tad better in my eyes.