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Old 09-04-2023, 12:58 AM   #1
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I think that the correction in the genealogies is later than the making of Meaglin B. But we have no outer evidence for this dating.

The outer evidence make The Shibboleth (1968 or later) and Meaglin B (1970 or later) contemporay documents. But the internal logic of changes suggest The Shibboleth to be later (in my oppinion).

However that might be, JRR Tolkiens memory so late in his life was not good enough for being sure about these things. So even if my dating (or rather sequencing) is wrong, the inner logic of such changes suggest strongly that Elenwë perishing in the Ice was what Tolkien wanted for the wife of Turgon.

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Old 09-04-2023, 04:46 AM   #2
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I think that the correction in the genealogies is later than the making of Meaglin B. But we have no outer evidence for this dating.

The outer evidence make The Shibboleth (1968 or later) and Meaglin B (1970 or later) contemporay documents. But the internal logic of changes suggest The Shibboleth to be later (in my oppinion).

However that might be, JRR Tolkiens memory so late in his life was not good enough for being sure about these things. So even if my dating (or rather sequencing) is wrong, the inner logic of such changes suggest strongly that Elenwë perishing in the Ice was what Tolkien wanted for the wife of Turgon.

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Since I am, admittedly, biased in regards to this question (I really don't want to get rid of the story of Elenwe), maybe someone else can give their thoughts on this?
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Old 09-04-2023, 10:44 AM   #3
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Didn't you raise the doubts about that story yourself?

What do you expcat from some one else to do now? Stepping up and searching arguments for Elenwë and her pershing in the ice being dropped?

Or was it just a way to ask for more oppinions beside that of gondowe you and me?

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Old 09-04-2023, 05:30 PM   #4
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Didn't you raise the doubts about that story yourself?

What do you expcat from some one else to do now? Stepping up and searching arguments for Elenwë and her pershing in the ice being dropped?

Or was it just a way to ask for more oppinions beside that of gondowe you and me?

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I was simply trying to ask for more opinions on the subject - perhaps someone else here might be privy to insights that elude me.
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