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Old 10-17-2003, 06:43 AM   #22
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You find this a very out of place point? It was your point. That's your post. And the one its answering was not mine. I can't see how it's relevant.
What? When you see a colon, it means that whatever follows is what the sentence is referring to. THe point about the Nazgul bringing fear to mortal men - Sauron did this also. He was very large and terrible.

About Khmaul:

I'm not saying he was lt. at the time of the Morannon. Whether he was or not, there WAS a time that he ws called lt even though the Witch-King clearly outranks him.

This has nothing to do with them outranking the Mouth. It just shows that the term "lt." does not refer to a person that is second in command - so the Mouth being called lt. does not make him second in command.

This point is not out of place, but rather the most direct point here:

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Looking in the Messenger's eyes they read his thought. He was to be that lieutenant, and gather all that remained of the West under his sway; he would be their tyrant and they his slaves.
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This is the only hint I see, but it is not a statement by the Mouth; it is merely a mention of the twinkle in his eye, thinking himself to be that one to dwell in Isengard. Would he definitely be that one? We don't know. Would that person definitely be second in commmand? We're not positive.
Tolkien is not explicitly stating that the Mouth would be that lt. at Isengard, nor would being the lt. in Isengard make him second in command. THe Mouth was clearly just thinking of it.
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