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the guy who be short · 03-14-2003, 01:07 PM

hi, unlike most of you i dont have fotr on video/dvd. please could you tell me what saruman says when the ccompany of 9 are crossing carahdras, and a literal translation please. (he's on top of orthanc, and it sounds like a curse)

Mornie Alantie · 03-14-2003, 01:14 PM

Cuiva nwalca Carnirassë! Nai yarvaxëa rasselya taltuva ñotto-carinnar!saruman: 'Wake up cruel Redhorn! May your blood-stained horn shall fall upon the enemy-heads' [no subtitles given] cuiva v. imper. 'wake up'; *cuiva- 'wake up'.nwalca adj. 'cruel'.Carnirassë n. '= Sindarin Caradhras, English Redhorn'.nai v. 'may it be'.yarvaxëa adj. 'blood-stained'; yár 'blood' + *vaxëa 'stained' < vaxë 'stain'.rasselya n. 'your horn'; rassë 'horn' + -lya 'your'.taltuva v. fut. '[it] will fall'; cf. talta- 'slip, slide down, collapse, slope'.ñotto-carinnar n 'upon enemy-heads'; cf. *ñotto-cár 'enemy-head' from *ñotto 'enemy' (ÑGOTH-) and cár 'head' (KAS-). This is from the site <A HREF="http://www.elvish.org" TARGET=_blank>www.elvish.org</A> which has most of the movie elvish and other languages. If you want to know, he says this in Quenya.

Iarhen · 03-18-2003, 10:26 AM

And what does Gandalf answers? What is the meaning of his words? Because, clearly, Saruman wins over him...

Mornie Alantie · 03-18-2003, 11:01 AM

gandalf: Losto Caradhras, sedho, hodo, nuitho i 'ruith! gandalf: 'Sleep Caradhras, be still, lie still, hold [your] wrath' [no subtitles given] losto v. imp. 'sleep'; *losta- 'sleep', (O)L-OS- 'sleep' (UT 396). Caradhras n. 'Redhorn'; from caran 'red' + rass 'horn'.sedho v. imp. 'be still'; *sedh- 'be quiet, be still'; SED- 'rest, peace'. hodo v. imp. 'lie still'; *hoda- 'rest, lie at ease'; KHAW- (LR 363-4). nuitho v. imp. 'hold, not allow to continue'; nuitha- 'to stunt' (WJ 413). i 'ruith n. 'the wrath'; *gruith 'wrath'; G-RUK- 'terror'. The web site <A HREF="http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_fotr.htm#losto" TARGET=_blank>Movie Elvish </A> Gives you all the elvish in the movie, so if you have anymore questions you can find them here.

03-14-2003, 01:07 PM	#1
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	what did saruman say on carahdras? aid please hi,<BR>unlike most of you i dont have fotr on video/dvd. please could you tell me what saruman says when the ccompany of 9 are crossing carahdras, and a literal translation please. (he's on top of orthanc, and it sounds like a curse)

03-14-2003, 01:14 PM	#2
Mornie Alantie Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Somewhere above earth cause people say i should come down to it Posts: 226	Cuiva nwalca Carnirassë! Nai yarvaxëa rasselya taltuva ñotto-carinnar!<P>saruman: 'Wake up cruel Redhorn! May your blood-stained horn shall fall upon the enemy-heads' [no subtitles given]<P> <P>cuiva v. imper. 'wake up'; cuiva- 'wake up'.<P>nwalca adj. 'cruel'.<P>Carnirassë n. '= Sindarin Caradhras, English Redhorn'.<P>nai v. 'may it be'.<P>yarvaxëa adj. 'blood-stained'; yár 'blood' + vaxëa 'stained' < vaxë 'stain'.<P>rasselya n. 'your horn'; rassë 'horn' + -lya 'your'.<P>taltuva v. fut. '[it] will fall'; cf. talta- 'slip, slide down, collapse, slope'.<P>ñotto-carinnar n 'upon enemy-heads'; cf. ñotto-cár 'enemy-head' from ñotto 'enemy' (ÑGOTH-) and cár 'head' (KAS-).<P><BR>This is from the site <A HREF="http://www.elvish.org" TARGET=_blank>www.elvish.org</A> which has most of the movie elvish and other languages. If you want to know, he says this in Quenya. __________________ Instead of pepper spray, you pack a glass bottle and scream "Aiya Earendil Elenion Ancalima!!!" at muggers.

03-18-2003, 10:26 AM	#3
Iarhen Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Laurelindorenan Posts: 225	And what does Gandalf answers? What is the meaning of his words? Because, clearly, Saruman wins over him... __________________ "In place of a Dark Lord you will have a Queen! Not dark but beatiful and terrible as the Dawn! Treacherous as the sea! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair!" --- Galadriel when tempted by the One Ring.

03-18-2003, 11:01 AM	#4
Mornie Alantie Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Somewhere above earth cause people say i should come down to it Posts: 226	gandalf: Losto Caradhras, sedho, hodo, nuitho i 'ruith!<P><BR> <P>gandalf: 'Sleep Caradhras, be still, lie still, hold [your] wrath' [no subtitles given]<P> <P>losto v. imp. 'sleep'; losta- 'sleep', (O)L-OS- 'sleep' (UT 396). <P>Caradhras n. 'Redhorn'; from caran 'red' + rass 'horn'.<P>sedho v. imp. 'be still'; sedh- 'be quiet, be still'; SED- 'rest, peace'. <P>hodo v. imp. 'lie still'; hoda- 'rest, lie at ease'; KHAW- (LR 363-4). <P>nuitho v. imp. 'hold, not allow to continue'; nuitha- 'to stunt' (WJ 413). <P>i 'ruith n. 'the wrath'; gruith 'wrath'; G-RUK- 'terror'. <P>The web site <A HREF="http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_fotr.htm#losto" TARGET=_blank>Movie Elvish </A> <P>Gives you all the elvish in the movie, so if you have anymore questions you can find them here. __________________ Instead of pepper spray, you pack a glass bottle and scream "Aiya Earendil Elenion Ancalima!!!" at muggers.